Are ALL Leopards het pied?

Am I the only one kind of upset by this news?

I thought the Leopard looked awesome by itself and was excited for the combos. As stated, the Leopard Pied just looks mostly like a regular pied. All this news does is ensures the price stays higher for longer.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Am I the only one kind of upset by this news?

I thought the Leopard looked awesome by itself and was excited for the combos. As stated, the Leopard Pied just looks mostly like a regular pied. All this news does is ensures the price stays higher for longer.

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The patterns on the leopard pieds on wobp don't look like normal pieds.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Am I the only one kind of upset by this news?

I thought the Leopard looked awesome by itself and was excited for the combos. As stated, the Leopard Pied just looks mostly like a regular pied. All this news does is ensures the price stays higher for longer.

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how is this bad news? dont you want the price to stay consistent? thats a good thing, not bad.

Because the leopard will make not only pied combo's but also other combo's, besides the ones that look like pied, it has greater possibilities therefor more value.

they are allelic. Leopard and pied work very well together.


For sake of precision, what is called a "leopard pied" is in fact a "leopard het pied". And when bred to a normal, 50% of its offspring will be leopard, the rest will be guaranteed het pied. and when bred to a pied, you get 50% leopard pied and 50% pied.

Its similar to toffee, albino, and the combination, toffino, which is a het toffee het albino genetically.

What im most curious about is the super leopard. Can we be absolutely sure it exists, and not just leopard pied? Is it proven out? Are there maybe known health issues with the super form? it could be that its truly dominant, so that the super leopard doesnt exist because its lethal, like it is with spider or pinstripe.

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Originally Posted by tonkatoyman

Because the leopard will make not only pied combo's but also other combo's, besides the ones that look like pied, it has greater possibilities therefor more value.

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exactly my thoughts

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Originally Posted by cschneider

If this is true, leopard pieds could produce leopards instead of normal het pieds when bred which would be a huge plus when selling the babies. I think that would be worth the extra costs.

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Yeah, that's my understanding. I've never seen it confirmed that they produce leopards, but I assume it has been? I was researching this a few years ago, and I had a hard time getting a straight answer back in 2010 or whatever.

It's still means you'd want to buy from a really reliable breeder. Because someone could totally sell you a regular pied for a lot more money as a "leopard pied", and you wouldn't know until you bred it. I guess that's what I find disconcerting.

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Originally Posted by mercerasian

The patterns on the leopard pieds on wobp don't look like normal pieds.

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They totally look like normal pieds to me. How are they different?

The only thing that stands out on the WOPB animal is the green eye, when all my pieds have coal-black eyes. I guess that would actually be pretty telling, if all leopard pieds had green eyes.

EDIT: Pete Kahl's available leopard pieds all have black eyes:

http://www.pkreptiles.com/available/...ld+Ball+Python

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

What im most curious about is the super leopard. Can we be absolutely sure it exists, and not just leopard pied? Is it proven out? Are there maybe known health issues with the super form? it could be that its truly dominant, so that the super leopard doesnt exist because its lethal, like it is with spider or pinstripe.

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Greg bred the male that he is calling a Super Leopard to over 10 females, with absolutely no normals, only Leopards being produced in those 10+ clutches. The Super animal does have a different look compared to your regular Leopard Pieds as well. No health issues from what I understand.

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

Greg bred the male that he is calling a Super Leopard to over 10 females, with absolutely no normals, only Leopards being produced in those 10+ clutches. The Super animal does have a different look compared to your regular Leopard Pieds as well. No health issues from what I understand.

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I have to go through my history because I scoured the internet read hundreds of post on this but I believe Ralph Davis also has a leopard pied that throws all leopards.

It is my theorey that leopard is just the het form of a different line of pied. Think about ghosts you put a ghost with an orange ghost you get both even though they are different lines. So when you look at leopards if you took that line of pied and put it with the other you would get some of each line. So my thinking is these leopards put together makes your leopard pied, and since it only carries the leopard line of pied you will only get leopards when bred to a normal. If you make a leopard pied by putting leopard with the common line I believe you would get normal het pied when you breed it out