Many do use them but they are infrared and pythons among others are tuned to infrared. I have found they seem to change behavior under red lighting where they don't seem to under blue.
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01-31-2013, 07:10 AM
FrankieCarbone
Newbie here temp?
No offense kitedemon, but i have been using these bulbs (i switch between 75w In the summer and 100w in the winter) for close to 2 years now and have had no issues
Your the first person i ever seen on this forum that has said they are "bad" for
BP's.
01-31-2013, 11:14 AM
kitedemon
I did not say bad, I said they react to them. Royal pythons hunt by heat their eyes are balanced into the red end of the spectrum. They unlike many other reptiles have very poor blue end response so it jus makes sense that the low end it just going to be ambient temp light to them rather than an optical light as well. I suggest blue as there is less impact on their senses given a choice as the goal is heat why use red? The centre of the bell curve mapping royal python vision is orange red the centre of our is yellow/green. Red is roughly the same location visually as a tungsten (regular lights) for us. This only holds for snakes with heat pits non heat hunters have strong blue receptors and UV likely plays an important role in their optical senses.
all bulbs also have IR 'light' so regardless they see all of them. I personally believe that blue deep blue has a lower impact. I know they adjust to lights fine even white lights I remember a snake in the class room of my jr high school he was under fluorescent lights for 18 years that were never turned off, he is still alive and big and healthy. (now the teacher is retired and he is in his home now.) Ideal? no, certainly. All I am saying is if there is a choice between don't produce as much visual light and produce an extreme amount of visual light why not choose less?
If we take three light bulbs all 60w a deep red one a regular one and a deep blue one we see the red and blue as darker but the out put of light is the same we do not see all colours equally. Look at 'night view' cameras the illuminator is quite bright but we barely see it. This is my point heat hunting snakes' optics are tuned to see heat, red is just a blip along the spectrum. The response to red is extreme I have friends whom own a zoo they use IR guns with the laser taped over as the retics always strike at the red laser. The demonstrations they do, they have a blue laser pointer and the retics never strike at it.
Any heat source is a light to royals. Blue or red lights emit heat that is the point. I would suggest to reduce the amount of light by choosing a colour their eyes don't respond to as much.
01-31-2013, 04:40 PM
FrankieCarbone
Newbie here temp?
Wow you went all out (im
Not being sarcastic) I guess this topic hasn't been discussed much. From my understanding its always been
Suggested that balls cant see red or are not bothered by red light as opposed to those white or blue bulbs you usually see.
01-31-2013, 06:45 PM
kitedemon
I know they become adjusted to red but as to not seeing it? There is just no logic behind that. You and I both know the simple view is they will adjust and it isn't a problem either way. I personally feel that continuing a myth is counter productive . I am not suggesting changing but if you are starting in may make more sense.
02-01-2013, 01:36 AM
FrankieCarbone
Newbie here temp?
Actually i'am interested in this and would actually like to try something new. I have a 29g setup, so there is 9g of height in my enclosure as opposed to the regular 20g tank, so a heating lamp is a must in my setup, as the uth alone is not enough to keep my ambient temps where they are supposed to be. The infrared bulb that i showed you is on 24hrs a day. I play with the position and angle i place it over the tank to manipulate the temps i want. Which bulb would you recommend as a "stay on all day" heating source?
To be honest I think are better options. I used to use high heat high power heating options like these. I then had a change in my economic situation and started to find places to save some money on the power bill. I decided the floods had to go.
heat rises, humid air rises, and an open top aquarium is not efficient. At the time spending the cash for a plastic enclosure was not a good option so I designed a 'plug' if you will. The tanks I had were all taller than the 'floor' area so I turned it on the side. It provided a lower height and cut heating costs a fair bit (humidity issues with it) and I also believe it makes a safer system as well. I love them I have a few plastic enclosures (vision, sly, had an AP) a custom built one. I think the glass side turned tank is the equal of them and the cost is a fraction. The new hinges a year on are holding up perfectly and will not use metal ones again. I would suggest if you are thinking of a change that a 'lucylid' might be a better change than bulb option. Personal opinion.
