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  • 12-26-2012, 04:15 AM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    You need to become very familiar with the process of just a single recessive gene before you should start thinking about a double recessive gene snake.

    Here, think of it like this.. You very likely carry the recessive albino gene. Many people do but the only way you would have an albino child is if you hooked up with someone else who also carried the albino gene.. Lets say you do carry the albino gene. You can not expect to have an albino child with someone who has "normal" genetics and does not carry the gene also right?

    Same thing.. You can not make pieds by breeding a 100% het to a normal.

    Visual x normal = 100%hets. All babies will look normal but will all be guaranteed 100%het for that gene..

    Visual x visual = all visual. No normal appearing snakes at all..

    100% het x 100% het = 66% possible hets. All babies will appear normal but each one has a 66% chance of actually being het for that gene. They can not be called hets until they are bred to another het, possible het, or visual, and actually produce a visual. Then they become 100% hets because they have been bred and proven to be so. Until then, they are just 66% possibles.

    100% het x normal = 50% possible hets. All babies will be normal in appearance but each one has a 50% chance of carrying the gene. All the same rules apply as above..

    Anything less is not worth mentioning. Like breeding 50% to 50% and so on.. Your odds of ever actually proving anything out and producing a visual drop down so low that its not worth the time or effort in my opinion to go lower than 66%hets. Plus, any baby you produce that did not come from an actual visual, which means any baby that is only some lower percentage of het NOT 100%, is only worth the price if a normal. They can not be sold for het prices unless they are 100% hets.


    There is my laymen's terms to make it a bit easier hopefully. That's just for one recessive gene. When you start mixing two in there, it gets even more difficult if you can't afford to invest in at least one visual. I suggest in saving your money and getting a male pied. They have dropped down to as low as $600 now. Then a female het lavender. Or vice versa. Considering how many years it would take to produce an actual visual of each by starting with only a 100% het of each, which realistically could be 6 years or more, you can save up a few hundred dollars more in a much shorter amount of time and cut your project time in half.. You also would not need to hold back every single baby you produced, house them, feed them, then breed them 2-3 years down the road just to see if any of them are actually het for either of those 2 genes.
  • 12-26-2012, 07:15 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    So many thanks guys. Think im finally gettin it. Just trying to readjust my thinking.

    Ok so lets just say i purchase 2 100% het pied snakes and mate them. Basically all offspring are 100% as well but a certain percentage will be visual correct? But the only way to get 100% visual is vis x vis...

    If this is correct u guys have shortened my dream substantially.

    I want to breed lots more types of course but i dont really care how long it takes. Me n my dad are doing this project mostly for fun and bonding ;)

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  • 12-26-2012, 07:31 AM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lord_Rahl View Post
    So many thanks guys. Think im finally gettin it. Just trying to readjust my thinking.

    Ok so lets just say i purchase 2 100% het pied snakes and mate them. Basically all offspring are 100% as well but a certain percentage will be visual correct? But the only way to get 100% visual is vis x vis...

    If this is correct u guys have shortened my dream substantially.

    I want to breed lots more types of course but i dont really care how long it takes. Me n my dad are doing this project mostly for fun and bonding ;)

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    Not quite, and that's one thing I left out of my explanation.. 100% het pied x 100% het pied CAN produce a visual. Or more than one if you're lucky enough. Then any normal appearing babies are NOT 100% het pied.. They would only be 66% possible het..

    The only way to produce guaranteed 100% het pieds is if one of the parents is a visual pied.
  • 12-26-2012, 07:35 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    Yeah. I went back and re-read all the info again. So with what i understand so far i think what i need to do is just purchase 2 het pied and breed them, breed first clutch cross fingers for visual and then im set for pied.

    Try same with het LA and take 2 visuals (one from each recessive) and get my dreamsicle.

    Lastly dance a lil jig. Done

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  • 12-26-2012, 07:45 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    Ok. I have been looking and best price i can find for 100% het pied is $350. I kno this cant be the best price... I thought a while ago i saw them for 50/75 m/f... Can anyone help me out with a reputable dealer who wont hamstring u.

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  • 12-26-2012, 07:47 AM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    Still not quite.. Breeding a visual pied to a visual lavender will give you all normal appearing babies that are all 100% double het for pied and lavender. Remember, both parents have to be carrying the genes that you want before you have any chance of producing a double recessive of those genes.

    Then you'd hold back all the double het females from that pairing and one male. Grow them all up and breed the male to all the females. Then hope and pray that you hit the combo. You might get a pied. You might get a lavender. You might get super lucky and hit the combo.

    It is not easy to create double recessives. That is why they cost thousands of dollars.
  • 12-26-2012, 07:51 AM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    You might get nothing.... Many people breed pairs of proven 100% hets and get no visuals the first time. It's happened with me. It's all a game of odds. It's a gamble and there is absolutely no guarantee when only working with hets.
  • 12-26-2012, 07:52 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    Not scared of the work or time needed to acquire this. When im actually doing it id say it will be easier to wrap my head around right?

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  • 12-26-2012, 09:42 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    Thnx so much guys. At least now i have a place to begin.

    Now looking for reputable breeders who are affordable!!

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  • 12-26-2012, 11:15 AM
    Lord_Rahl
    My next one after i achieve dreamsicle will be a clown x ultramel. Only thing is when running against wizard het is the only thing i find....
    Surely after 4 years there is a morph... If not maybe a compatability issue?

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