Is there still a market for caramels?

I happen to like the caramel gene over the ultra. Furthermore, I looooovvvveee caramels. I realize that people shy away from them and I totally understand. For my money though, if you take breeding out of the question, they are one of my top three morphs. While the market has dropped from a breeding standpoint, I think there will always be a market for beautiful snakes from a collector standpoint.

I agree, I think caramels are significantly prettier than ultramels. I dont have either at the moment, but if I ever decided to get one it would be caramel all the way (even if ultras were the same price).

Carmels are still good. They just need to be out crossed more. People should not take shortcuts when breeding. They should get unrelated pairs and not do any back breeding with them.

I still think I might keep a pair as a side project eventually. Caramel glows are still one of my all time favorite combos with the hypo and caramel gene.

I just stumbled upon the Cinnamon Caramel Albino, "Cinnamel" and yet another reason I want to get a pair eventually.

Spider Caramel is HOT... a breeder in my area still works with it a lot here:

http://www.nhreptile.com/


Idk, to those who have worked with them before... how frequent is the kinking? I think sometimes people take a few horror stories and blow things out of proportion sometimes. Caramel in particular seems to be a gene that people actively avoid though. Is there substance to that?

I love caramels! Have you seen Joe Ellis' yellowbelly caramel? That thing is absolutely smoking, I've been thinking of trying for that combo with some mojave influence.

Definitely still a market, at least I'll be buying one sometime

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Carmels are still good. They just need to be out crossed more. People should not take shortcuts when breeding. They should get unrelated pairs and not do any back breeding with them.

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In my experience it doesn't matter. It's part of the gene not a product of inbreeding. We bred son x mother and sibling with zero kinks 3 seasons in a row. Paired the same male with an unrelated female and got two kinked caramels. I think the bloodline is more important.

As far as there being a market, we sold out of two clutches right away. People still like them even with the possible issues.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

In my experience it doesn't matter. It's part of the gene not a product of inbreeding. We bred son x mother and sibling with zero kinks 3 seasons in a row. Paired the same male with an unrelated female and got two kinked caramels. I think the bloodline is more important.

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I have talked to a few breeders who basically report the same thing, once you got a no to low kink trend going hang onto it. Last time I talked to brian from bhb he said he hatched over 50 caramels in a row with no kinks and some of those caramels came from female caramels that had no slugs. It does appear a few have selectively bred it out or at the very least reduced it significantly.

Me on the other hand, I like the ultras looks better, so I'll dive into them when I feel the time is right.

Good to know everything thanks!