Flexwatt or RHP, which is better for a plastic encloure?

The probe for the RHP can really go were ever you like since what you're really measuring is the ambient temps not a direct spot like a UTH. The probe for my pannels are mounted to the back of my cage towards the very bottom using a screw cable mount.

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Originally Posted by martin82531

The probe for the RHP can really go were ever you like since what you're really measuring is the ambient temps not a direct spot like a UTH. The probe for my pannels are mounted to the back of my cage towards the very bottom using a screw cable mount.

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These are the mounts I used for my RHP probe's. I also used a very small screw to go into the middle of the mount, into the back of my cage to keep the mount in place. I did not want to risk the adhesive failing and the mount getting stuck to my balls.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s00_i01

A couple of pictures on how it turned out

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...-20-58_251.jpg

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...-31-17_927.jpg

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Originally Posted by martin82531

The probe for the RHP can really go were ever you like since what you're really measuring is the ambient temps not a direct spot like a UTH. The probe for my panels are mounted to the back of my cage towards the very bottom using a screw cable mount.

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"This Infrared Heat tends to heat objects more than the air, much like the natural sunlight outdoors." Reptile basics RHP FAQ

http://www.reptilebasics.com/radiant-panel-faq

RADIANT heat, heat transferred in the form of electromagnetic radiation rather than by conduction (heats objects in direct contact) or convection (heats air and water). This type of heat heats objects not air or water.

"Radiant heating systems differ from conventional methods of heating because they don't try to heat the air in a building or area, but rather transfer radiant heat from an energy source to people and objects that are nearby.The warmth from the sun is the most basic example of radiant heat and it is this principle that radiant heating is based on."

http://www.radiantheatingsystems.ca

Why does physics suddenly not apply to the reptile world? Radiant heaters have been used for years in ice rinks and out door cafes because IT DOES NOT HEAT THE AIR!! That is why you can have them out side and actually still work well. How a UTH/Flexwatt (Radiant heat source http://www.calorique.com/products/in...ing/index.html) suddenly change their nature when mounted in a ceiling (radiant heat source) Most agree UTH do not heat air why is it so hard to understand RHP heat does not heat air?

The only way a RHP can heat air (ambient air temps) is to heat objects inside the enclosure that in turn heat the air. Second hand heating if you will. Placing the thermometer under the panel is only measuring the temp of the thermometer probe and not the air at all.

Probes must be IMMOBILE period. Regardless of where it is located. If they become moved by anything (snake, people, other critters, or children) the heater can easily over heat and send temps far to high. I would strongly recommend that probes be very very securely fixed. I would go so far as to say difficult to remove with out damaging the probe, a dead probe is better than a dead snake. I would also comment again a snake should NEVER be able come between the probe and the heat source ESPECIALLY with direct RADIANT heat sources (RHP and UTH).

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

"This Infrared Heat tends to heat objects more than the air, much like the natural sunlight outdoors." Reptile basics RHP FAQ

http://www.reptilebasics.com/radiant-panel-faq

RADIANT heat, heat transferred in the form of electromagnetic radiation rather than by conduction (heats objects in direct contact) or convection (heats air and water). This type of heat heats objects not air or water.

"Radiant heating systems differ from conventional methods of heating because they don't try to heat the air in a building or area, but rather transfer radiant heat from an energy source to people and objects that are nearby.The warmth from the sun is the most basic example of radiant heat and it is this principle that radiant heating is based on."

http://www.radiantheatingsystems.ca

Why does physics suddenly not apply to the reptile world? Radiant heaters have been used for years in ice rinks and out door cafes because IT DOES NOT HEAT THE AIR!! That is why you can have them out side and actually still work well. How a UTH/Flexwatt (Radiant heat source http://www.calorique.com/products/in...ing/index.html) suddenly change their nature when mounted in a ceiling (radiant heat source) Most agree UTH do not heat air why is it so hard to understand RHP heat does not heat air?

The only way a RHP can heat air (ambient air temps) is to heat objects inside the enclosure that in turn heat the air. Second hand heating if you will. Placing the thermometer under the panel is only measuring the temp of the thermometer probe and not the air at all.

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According to my thermometer the ambient temp did increase by a couple of degree which is all I was looking for it to do.


"I unlike some have never found more than a couple of degrees to ambient temps to the RHP"


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Reptile-Basics

@ kitedemon quoted from your post on a question that I answered about the same thing (a couple degrees was again all I was looking for). "why is it so hard to understand RHP heat does not heat air?" I never implied it did heat the air like a heat lamp or anything similar would.

With my set up, my probe placement, my thermostat shuts off my RHP a couple times per day (room temp is not changing)...means its working for me.

Yes that is quite likely, most asking for help with ambient temps have more issues than a couple of degrees however. Suggesting RHP heats are is just not true. It is super easy to prove check the temp of the face of the panel when it is on and ask your self if it was heating air it should be with in a few degrees of this right? Mine runs at 100º to 110º on the face if it heated the air this would quickly over heat the enclosure.

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Originally Posted by martin82531

The probe for the RHP can really go were ever you like since what you're really measuring is the ambient temps not a direct spot like a UTH. The probe for my pannels are mounted to the back of my cage towards the very bottom using a screw cable mount.

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Looking at this again, I do see how someone could interpret this as a RHP being used to raise the ambient temps, again not was I was meaning to apply. I wanted to note, that unlike a probe being used with a UTH, the probe used with a RHP does not need come in direct contact with the heat source.

@kitedemon, so the diagram you provided above, are you suggesting just attaching the probe to the surface of the RHP itself and then setting the temp at whatever setting acheives the desired temps below? (e.g., setting the thermostat to 115 with probe attached to the surface of the RHP and measuring the surface temps below at 91).

If so, how do you attach the probe? Tape or hot glue?

In addition, it seems like LED lights might be a decent way to bump ambient temps, but are there reptile friendly ones available. Thanks again.