Breeding loan contract

You need to put a dollar figure on the replacement of the male. Take cash, not him replacing the animal.

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I agree it seems in his favor, but if you feel since he will be doing all the work and you are happy with only getting one snake then it's good for both people involved. Hope it all works out.

As long as you're ok with that contract, I think it's fine. As for the Super Stripe, you don't have to mention you don't want it, just don't pick it lol.

It just looks like a setup for a hairy mess.

My snakes stay at my shop and breed only with my snakes.

I've had friends offer a 1.0 Pastel just as a "back-up" plan, but I won't even consider taking a $50 snake from them. Rat bites it.... get's an infection.... uggghhh!! Not worth the hassle.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Personally I wouldn't loan a snake to a friend of a friend for a breeding loan.
I do breeding loans but only with friends.

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I normally wouldn't and if he wasn't local to me I wouldn't consider it at all. In this case I believe I will be making a friend and he is pretty involved in the Wisconsin reptile community so I feel comfortable taking the risk.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You need to put a dollar figure on the replacement of the male. Take cash, not him replacing the animal.

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Should I include the dollar amount that I paid for him or his current estimated value? I bought him last year as a proven breeder for $650. I don't know what proven breeder pastel yellow bellies are currently go for.

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Originally Posted by 1nstinct

I agree it seems in his favor, but if you feel since he will be doing all the work and you are happy with only getting one snake then it's good for both people involved. Hope it all works out.

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Thank you. :)

I'm not to worried about what I will be getting from this so much as making sure it's clear who is responsible for what when it comes to his care.

I am going to be taking out the part about the females not producing though.

Instead of compensating him if there are no clutches, since he is local, could you maybe drop off food once a week or whatever for the snake? That way he can't inflate the price that he paid and you wont owe him anything in the end? That way you could also check on him each week to make sure he is being properly cared for and fed??

Once you figure out a good contract, or a template, perhaps you could post it and get it stickied :D.

I'm sure I'll do some for-fun breeding loans with some folks in the future, and I'd sure like to see a nice contract for the future!

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Personally I wouldn't loan a snake to a friend of a friend for a breeding loan.
I do breeding loans but only with friends.

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I am with Jerry I would not do it. But if you do I agree that he should not be compensated if the females do not take. He should compensate you for taking your male out of your rotation and you not getting a hold back out of the deal. Even if you had no plans for him, things may change and you need him.

I'm about the only one playing the Devil's Advocate, but I don't mind. I'm just laying this out here for you to consider.

I know these loans happen, but I just can't see any of my collection getting loaned out to anyone. I've invested a lot of time and money in each bp I own- from the 0.1, 150g Mojave to the 1.0, 2000g Pied.

I cannot put a dollar value on a male that has locked with multiple females already this year- multiple times each.

Here is the most important point of the situation IMHO..... Your male is a proven breeder. Will the replacement be if something goes wrong? A good male is potentially worth as much or more than any female, because without the male you have no clutches ;) What if you end up with a male like his that won't breed? How much has it cost you to feed and maintain your initial $650 investment? It's about $100/yr, per snake for me just to feed a snake that size.

My $750 1.0 Pied is worth far more than my females he has locked with, because without him my plans would have gone south and I'd have 3 females sitting here looking for a mate of another morph than I planned. This boy takes a lot of rack space, but he's not going anywhere till I breed a proven replacement for him myself.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

I'm about the only one playing the Devil's Advocate, but I don't mind. I'm just laying this out here for you to consider.

I know these loans happen, but I just can't see any of my collection getting loaned out to anyone. I've invested a lot of time and money in each bp I own- from the 0.1, 150g Mojave to the 1.0, 2000g Pied.

I cannot put a dollar value on a male that has locked with multiple females already this year- multiple times each.

Here is the most important point of the situation IMHO..... Your male is a proven breeder. Will the replacement be if something goes wrong? A good male is potentially worth as much or more than any female, because without the male you have no clutches ;) What if you end up with a male like his that won't breed? How much has it cost you to feed and maintain your initial $650 investment? It's about $100/yr, per snake for me just to feed a snake that size.

My $750 1.0 Pied is worth far more than my females he has locked with, because without him my plans would have gone south and I'd have 3 females sitting here looking for a mate of another morph than I planned. This boy takes a lot of rack space, but he's not going anywhere till I breed a proven replacement for him myself.

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Corey,
While we are on this subject let me borrow your Black Pastel Het Pied for a week or two I have a couple of girls waiting for him tails wagging and all. LMAO :D;);)