Morph ID??? Please Help

I have the adequate space to care for many clutches of ball python eggs. I already breed ball pythons so This would be just another clutch to go into the incubator. It would not cost me much to breed to normals together. I have many more snakes then what is listed.

They do have some nice size to them, so that is a plus. Are you sure they are male and female? If you didn't sex them yourself I sure wouldn't count on that.

Depending on your area, there just might be a market for normal babies. Truthfully though, if you are breeding them in search of something more than normal, I don't think I would. Normals vary so widely in appearance, the odds that they are more than normals is slim. You already know they aren't pastel so if you have any other morphs that would help their look along I'd go that route.

Gale

Often pet stores buy normal ball pythons..

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Originally Posted by Capray

Often pet stores buy normal ball pythons..

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For $5-10 per. :( at least around here anyways. But thats better than having to give them away.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Both are normal.
The discoloration in pigment is usually a sign of lack of nutrients. But sometimes, discoloration is random and just occurs out of no where after a shed because the new skin wasn't developed correctly under the old skin.
I would bet with proper care and feeding, they will look like regular normals.
before
But the male does have a neat pattern.

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Thank you,

I need to remember this, because I'm sure I'm eventually gonna' be staring at a baby snake's butt and think to myself "That looks dinky."

I remember the half axanthic half normal looking one with the silver sides about a week ago.

In all seriousness though, this makes complete sense. We even see it in humans.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

He could make back $100 IF he sells them. Just because you breed them doesn't mean they will get sold.

Also it is worth mentioning that the startup costs of breeding are not small. You will need a proper incubator, thermostat, egg box, incubation medium, and housing for the babies. Not to mention food for all those babies.

I am going to say that the price of all of the above is much more than $100.

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If you already have the ball pythons to breed there really is no "start up" cost to breed unless you want to spend the money. You don't have to have an incubator. One can always do a maternal incubation. Maternal means no bator or medium is needed. If you are already breeding rodents then there is really no extra cost for food to feed any babies. People buy normals all the time. The most expensive thing with breeding bp's is the initial purchase of your breeders. After that its the rodents. Anyone who has a decent collection is more than likely breeding their own rodents so the extra food for one clutch is not even a problem. Of course the bigger the collection = more power consumption and more rodents, which means more rodent food and bedding. If someone did want a bator, they are relatively cheep to make. You can find the fridge for free so you would just need to buy heat tape , stat and a fan.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

If you already have the ball pythons to breed there really is no "start up" cost to breed unless you want to spend the money. You don't have to have an incubator. One can always do a maternal incubation. Maternal means no bator or medium is needed. If you are already breeding rodents then there is really no extra cost for food to feed any babies. People buy normals all the time. The most expensive thing with breeding bp's is the initial purchase of your breeders. After that its the rodents. Anyone who has a decent collection is more than likely breeding their own rodents so the extra food for one clutch is not even a problem. Of course the bigger the collection = more power consumption and more rodents, which means more rodent food and bedding. If someone did want a bator, they are relatively cheep to make. You can find the fridge for free so you would just need to buy heat tape , stat and a fan.

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OP Already said they have space for the babies and an incubator. This changes a lot of things.

When people post about breeding normals together I make the assumption (since I don't know anything about them) That they only have a few animals and might not have bred them before. I like to lay out the fact that breeding these animals is not "free". Going from caring for 2 adult ball pythons to 4-8 hatchlings is a pretty big jump. As long as the person has a way to incubate the eggs (Maternal incubation being an option, yes, but not my preferred method) space to house the babies, and plenty of food then I have no issues.

I'm sure if the OP has already bred ball pythons then they either have good access to feeders or breed them.

Also, an incubator is going to cost around $125 to make assuming you get a fridge for free.

My point is not the numbers, my point is that anyone who wishes to breed these animals be prepared to take care of a lot of babies. Not everyone is cut out for caring for a large number of animals. Breeding should be done responsibly. Being able to sell the babies is never a guarantee. I see tables full of normals at the local show around here. People don't buy normals "all the time". It depends where you live and where you are trying to sell them and for how much. I like to make people aware of the worst case scenario where they can't sell any of their babies.

Is it bad to assume that they are related because of this discoloration?

I got a pair of "normal ball pythons" from a lady on craigslist. She was selling them as pastels because the owner of her local pet shop said she had never seen anything like them and said they resembled pastels. I would not trust the petshop owner due to her telling the previous owner that if the pair of ball pythons if bred the female will lay 60, yes 60 eggs! But besides that fact they still look different to me. I posted a thread on "what this morph"
( http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ID-Please-Help ) about them and people were saying how they were just normals and the discoloration was due to lack for nutrients. When I picked them up they were in great health, Although she was feeding them mice, it was once a week at 5 mice each. Not an approved diet (by me anyway) but still better than what I have seen before. What make me wonder is with alot of research I could not find any pics that look similar to what they look like. Also people were telling me it is not worth breeding them. I would like to get a wider range of opinions on this. I dont want to sound like I think every normal ball python I see is a dinker but these guys are relitivly odd.

Male:
http://picpaste.com/male_4-JZkRp8HL.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_3-Z7e64CZU.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_2-eiiI7dMs.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_1-nXbq0I0G.JPG

Female:
http://picpaste.com/female_3-eut6qYl3.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_2-3iKeA1pP.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_1-e4e8MW3M.JPG

other than some bright parts of their pattern i see nothing else that say that they are anything other than normals. but normal do come in a variety not all look the same