Help on ID crestie morphs

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Originally Posted by Genetics

Djiis, this is hard, and there so little information about this compared to BP....

I've read the other thread here where it's said that it can't be determined what morph a young crestie really is because of the colourchanges as it grows... But how to tell what morph your offsprings are? If the mother is a ... well, say a brown bicolor and the dad a tiger/brindle dal.... What would the offsprings be? Determined by the colour it develops or just a brown bicolor tiger/brindle dal? :weirdface

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That's what makes crested geckos fun to work with, you honestly won't know what the offspring will look like unless you have proven genetics from multiple generations of breeding from those specific lines. Just because you breed X to a Y doesn't mean you will get XY offspring. There are some traits that seem to more dominant than others such as dal spots. That trait seems very easy to inherit.

That's why it's important to carefully pick the animals you choose to breed. Usually if you pick animals that are the best examples of what your goal is you will hopefully reproduce some or all of what you are looking for in the hatchlings, but not always. You would think that breeding two high red geckos together would produce more high red geckos, it just doesn't always work out that way, at the same time you have a much better chance of producing more high reds than pairing a bucksin with a superdal and hoping for the same result. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm still kind of waking up. ;)

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?)
2. Red tiger + blushed trait
3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?)
4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw)
5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian?
7. Tiger
8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin?

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame?

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Originally Posted by Genetics

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?) Agreed on Dalmation Tiger. I personally feel that Brindles have a very busy pattern compared to strongly marked Tigers. Tiger's tend to have more widely-spaced stripes in my experience.

2. Red tiger + blushed trait. Agreed

3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?) If a crestie shows two traits that are in different categories, go with the strongest trait. I would call this one a Harlequinn, even if it has Pinstripe traits.

4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw) Agreed. With that busy pattern, it could go Brindle as it gets older.

5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian? I'm not seeing Bicolor on your Buckskin. Bicolor is usually a drastic difference between lateral and body color. I'd call it just a Buckskin. As for Dalmation, the spots need to be fairly prominent. I'm not seeing many black spots on your gecko here. I'm seeing more of the 'freckle' type spots. Can you post a better picture of her spots?

6. Chocolate Patternless with Dalmation Spots

7. Tiger. Agreed. I'd call her a a Buckskin for coloration, or you could use the term 'Yellow' as well, depending on how light the gecko is when fired.

8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin? I would stick with calling her a Flame. She does not have enough pattern on her lateral area to be called a Harley.

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame? For that last baby that piped, it's going to have a smashing pattern as it gets older. Give it time and it's going to just be smokin'!

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Does that help a bit?

It does get confusing, as many people develop their own terms and identification for certain things. There's no 'Right' or 'Wrong'. Just people who agree, or people who find a different term to describe what you're seeing.

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Originally Posted by Genetics

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?) Agreed on Dalmation Tiger. I personally feel that Brindles have a very busy pattern compared to strongly marked Tigers. Tiger's tend to have more widely-spaced stripes in my experience.

2. Red tiger + blushed trait. Agreed

3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?) If a crestie shows two traits that are in different categories, go with the strongest trait. I would call this one a Harlequinn, even if it has Pinstripe traits.

4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw) Agreed. With that busy pattern, it could go Brindle as it gets older.

5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian? I'm not seeing Bicolor on your Buckskin. Bicolor is usually a drastic difference between lateral and body color. I'd call it just a Buckskin. As for Dalmation, the spots need to be fairly prominent. I'm not seeing many black spots on your gecko here. I'm seeing more of the 'freckle' type spots. Can you post a better picture of her spots?

6. Chocolate Patternless with Dalmation Spots

7. Tiger. Agreed. I'd call her a a Buckskin for coloration, or you could use the term 'Yellow' as well, depending on how light the gecko is when fired.

8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin? I would stick with calling her a Flame. She does not have enough pattern on her lateral area to be called a Harley.

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame? For that last baby that piped, it's going to have a smashing pattern as it gets older. Give it time and it's going to just be smokin'!.

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Originally Posted by Vasiliki

Does that help a bit?

It does get confusing, as many people develop their own terms and identification for certain things. There's no 'Right' or 'Wrong'. Just people who agree, or people who find a different term to describe what you're seeing.

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I think we have confused each other :P
Yea, it confirmed quite a bit, but I see I have forgotten the real number 4 - I've taken 5 for 4, 6 for 5 .... The real number 4 is a flame, and 5 is the socalled "orange fire" but I meant "orange tiger"... The one you call a chocholate patternless with dalspots is the one I refered to as "Bicolor buckskin with dalspots". But now you're confusing me. I've read that buckskin is a colour of bicolor? But I do agree, noen of these are bicolors.

About number eight... I'll think I'll post a better picture of her, 'cause I think she has lot colouration on her lower lateral when really fired up.

I've been looking on the last one, so far it seems to be a fire, but in this pic I don't think it's fired up :)
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3464.jpg


A new picture of 3, 8 have almost as bright pattern on her lower lateral like this one:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3498.jpg

And a new pic of 4, it seems to be a flame but it has pattern on its sides? :
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3511.jpg

Haha. Okay, yes, I'm thoroughly confused at the moment. I'll have to sort through and make sense of this all when I get home. I'm at work right now and can't re-look over too many of the pictures, haha. So we'll get this all straight in a bit.

Hm. See and every time I've heard Buckskin referred to, it's a color trait, not directly related to a pattern trait (Just like you can have Red Harleys and Red Bi-colors, even through they're both different. But the color term is the same.)

Depends who you talk to, I suppose! The lingo does change depending on where you're finding the information from. I know in Europe some terms are different for cresties too.

That's all part of the fun :banana:

Sounds good :)

Here's a fired up pic of number 8 - she must be a fire harlequin??
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3593.jpg