Homozygous doms

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

smh at the lack of proof still on any super dominate trait that's been claimed.

Let's hope to heck there is never a dominate trait proven to have a super form.
There is already enough spiders and pinstripes being produced :O

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daddy gene.....

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

smh at the lack of proof still on any super dominate trait that's been claimed.

Let's hope to heck there is never a dominate trait proven to have a super form.
There is already enough spiders and pinstripes being produced :O

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Seems more and more people have been questioning BHB's report of a proven homozygous pinstripe over the years. It's sort of the moon landing of the ball python morph world, lol. I do think it's interesting that it didn't seem to change anything and no one apparently bothers to produce and market homozygous pins.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Seems more and more people have been questioning BHB's report of a proven homozygous pinstripe over the years. It's sort of the moon landing of the ball python morph world, lol. I do think it's interesting that it didn't seem to change anything and no one apparently bothers to produce and market homozygous pins.

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I have no problem believing it, and I still have no plans to ever breed pin x pin (or spider x spider, any other "probably/maybe dom x probably/maybe dom"), at least not for a long long while.

The way I look at it, in the ball world, each gene that an animal carries makes it more valuable and probably cost you more money (at least, that's still the way things are at the moment). If I breed, say, a lemonblast to a pinstripe, the best I can hope to produce are lemonblasts (granted, yes, it's a theoretical 25% more pinstripe gene animals -- but we all know how odds go). I'll have to market the blasts and pins as "33% chance possible homozygous," or, as has already been stated a few times, breed them a whooooole bunch in order to demonstrate homozygosity.

If I breed a bumblebee (same price as a blast) to my pinstripe, I have a shot at spinner blasts ... Those are really neat. :P

I guess you could try putting aside a few groups of pinstripes to try and get a bloodline of homozygous pins going -- that might be kinda cool -- but it seems kinda more like a "gee whiz" sorta thing to me than much of a viable investment ...

here is an interesting read i found the other day while looking into candinos and toffinos. Now its for recessives but the way its explained and laid out, shows how the genetics work rather well.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....-brains-4.html

as pointed out, the issues that are faced in this example, spiders/pins, is the amount of breeding needed to prove it when there is no notable visual difference as we suspect with homo gene traits of spiders/pins and that is assuming that one as been produced and the homo version is not lethal, which i dont really think it is, but thats just an opinion. All the theory is there to support the idea of a homo spider/pin, proving it is an entirely different ball game.

The only real way to prove it is to keep back every visual from a spider to spider or a pin to pin, and breed it to a normal over and over again. And thats assuming one of the visuals hit on that 25%

The thing is, there is little to no money in it, and who out there is gonna spend the better part of 10+ years trying to prove it? if someone were to try, i say they use the same Dame/sir that are spider or pin, breed them to only each other year in year out, and keep all visuals and breed them to normals year in, year out.

I cant think of anyone that would waste that much space, time, money just to prove the unidentifiable existence of homo spider or pin.

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also read page 5 for additional info that helps outline co-doms and doms

http://www.captivebredreptileforums.co.uk/ball-royal-pythons/55857-toffino-pick-your-brains-5.html

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

daddy gene.....

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Makes a platty daddy that is like a superstripe and throws het daddy and lessers/butters etc. no normals, correct?

How is that the same thing as a super spider or a super pinstripe?

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I do think it's interesting that it didn't seem to change anything and no one apparently bothers to produce and market homozygous pins.

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There's just no money in it.
Why produce nothing but $80 males and $150 female?
That's the price of those now, if a super is proven and they are out there mass producing more spiders and pinstripes, $20 male and $50 female.
I believe facts and proof and evidence, show me the clutches while the pinstripes are all in their eggs still.
Multiple clutches from the same sire, all pinstripes.
I know if I did that feat I would show that off, much to my displeasure.
Has Brian ever offered proof like that?
I'd like to see, call me a skeptic until I do see such a feat...

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Makes a platty daddy that is like a superstripe and throws het daddy and lessers/butters etc. no normals, correct?

How is that the same thing as a super spider or a super pinstripe?

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Wow that confused me for a sec ... I thought you were saying that the homozygous Daddy Gene looked like a super stripe. :rofl: (I'm thinking, "Wow, I want to see a picture of THAT!!")

I think that OWAL was getting at is that the homozygous Daddy gene looks exactly the same as the heterozygous Daddy gene -- eg, it looks Normal.

I have read somewhere that RDR bred Platinum x Platinum and got Platinums, BELs and Normals, and the normals can only be homozygous Platty gene animals. (I'd love to see the original source of that if anyone has a link, though, I since I couldn't find it ... :please: ) I don't know if breeding trials confirmed the homozygous Platty ...

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi...thons_8_07.asp clutch 76, I heard a rumor he made some more this year.

and in a the one het daddy x normal clutch i saw, you could tell the het daddy from normals, coloring and dorsal stripe. subtle tho and no doubt i've even produced normals that look like them. but still, clutch mate sitting next to each other, you could see there was something special about a few of them.