Maybe it's just me, but...

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Originally Posted by William C

Think about it like this.... people that breed simply for money will sell a snake to the first person that has the cash. It's like a pet store, they sell a pet without knowing what is going to happen after that pet makes it to its new home. These people buying your morphs might not have a clue how to take care of it. So basically the snake is doomed from the start. Just like when I purchased my Salmon boa, nobody asked me if I knew anything about how to care for snakes. I paid them, and the snake was shipped immediately. That, in my opinion, seems like they don't care what happens to the snakes after they are sold. I don't care if you agree with me or not, but that is just wrong.

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And you, for allowing this wrongness to continue, share no blame? You're the other end of the deal purchasing from someone you wouldn't sell to.

Can you say, "double standard?"

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Originally Posted by William C

Well, again my apologies. I just can't help but feel the way I do. I do not know any of you personally, and am not trying to attack anyone in particular. It just seems to me that the money is overpowering the fact that these are animals that deserve love and respect. I'm sorry if you took my post as a personal attack and I wish you all the best with your breeding projects. But my point was.... people that get into it simply to make money disgust me. I never said there was anything wrong with dreaming big. Do what makes you happy. But make sure you know what you're getting yourself into.

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I've asked it in other similar threads and I'll ask it again here and maybe this time I'll get an answer...

Who are these people that are just in it for the money?

Who is willing to regularly clean cages, deal with emails asking for photos that never respond back, keep the countless records required, put in the time to breed your own rats or the expense and time to feed f/t, did I mentioned regularly clean cages... etc. if you dislike snakes. If you like snakes, you obviously can't be in it "just for the money" because you enjoy what you do. Who do you know that dislikes reptiles but does all of the work required to keep them on such a level as to turn a profit. Anyone?

There are plenty of other jobs that require much less work for a much higher guaranteed income.

So you think that breeders should only sell to friends? cause that is the only real way they would know if the snake is going to a safe place. If everybody thought the way you do, there would be no snake industry. Which in turn, means the hobby would die.

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Originally Posted by William C

This is exactly why I made it clear that I wasn't trying to bash anyone. And the name calling? Come on... You said it yourself, we're all entitled to our own opinion. I was just trying to make conversation and explain my point of view. But you won't see me calling names, bashing anyone, or trying to make someone feel stupid for feeling a certain way. To each his own.

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A quote I live by: What did you think was gonna happen!

The difference between snakes, specifically ball pythons, and other animals like dogs and cats is the level of appropriate care, handling and socialization to keep a happy healthy animal. We all know what I'm talking about! Some could argue that fussing over and handling of ball pythons is borderline abuse.

I understand what all of you are saying, and I respect each and every one of your opinions. So why am I not entitled to my own? Do you see me bashing any of you for the way you feel? I started this thread for friendly conversation, not so all of you would try to make me feel stupid for caring about what goes on in the breeding industry. I see this forum hasn't changed a bit since we started it years ago. This is the exact reason why we got rid of it. One person has an opinion and everyone else wants to try to make them feel bad about it.

Wilomn has some strong words. Lol But i don't think anybody else is bashing you. We're trying to have a "conversation". Or an argument. Either way, not bashing. Who is we? I kinda got confused when you said "This forum hasn't changed a bit when we started it years ago" You mean when you joined it?

no, i mean when we created the website. i was part owner of this site before we sold it.

Ohh. I wouldn't know about any of that. :oops:

It was quite a long time ago. 2002 or 2003 I believe. My friend Peter started the site, and another friend of mine Jeff designed it. We also ran leo-land.net, Jeff was big into geckos at the time. We sold the site because it got to be nothing but a bash fest.

I think a lot gets lost in translation on these forums. We all have strong opinions. It depends on how the OP takes it.