I'm going to pick up some frozen rats tomorrow and just give it a shot, worst thing that would happen is they wont eat them and I'll have a little midnight snack. If they don't eat them I'll just buy 2 more live mice and feed them to them, or maybe I'll by frozen mice too just in case, and I defiantly got to go pick up a scale tomorrow too. If I can get them on f/t I'll be excited and start buying bulk. Thanks again for all the advice, I'll be here soon posting more questions.