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  • 07-09-2012, 11:04 PM
    jason79
    My limited experience with cutting vs. allowing them pip on their own. I incubate at 90 F usually the pip around day 54 - 55

    I keep my hatchlings in 6qt tubs with paper towels a very small hide and a water bowl. 4" heat tape belly heat with a surface temp in the tub over the heat around 88 F. I dont even attempt to feed until the day after they have all shed.

    My last clutch piped on their own when I was working out of town. This particular clutch had 4 eggs. One of the four started on live rat pups 2 days after first shed (their first offering) the other 3 refused. I waited 5 days tried again the same one ate again and 1 other took a rat pup the remaining 2 refused so I gave them a hopper mouse and they both took it. Now its several weeks later the 2 that have taken rat pups continue to do so every 5 days the other two still want mice but will take mice readily. I even make them wait an extra day or two before offering a mouse in hopes they will take a rat because I breed rats not mice but no luck yet.

    I have had several other clutches some of which I cut some I didn’t. I have had to do the same thing with mice for some but I have always gotten them to switch to rats eventually. I haven't noticed a difference between the one's I cut and the one's that piped on their own.
  • 07-10-2012, 12:59 AM
    kdreptiles
    It has been over 2 months since they have hatched. I assist fed all except two of them on the 6th because they have lost quite a bit of weight. I've tried more times than I can count getting them to eat on their own, usually every 3-4 days since after their first shed. The one who pipped on her own and started on F/T has eaten 10 times so far.
  • 07-10-2012, 03:03 AM
    kdreptiles
    Good news! One that wasn't eating took a live rat pink tonight. Unfortunately I have no other live pinks to try the rest of them on, the momma rat only had that one pup... I'm due to have litters in a couple days, hopefully the rest want to eat by then.
  • 07-12-2012, 01:07 AM
    kdreptiles
    Re: Does cutting eggs before pipping create bad feeders?
    Another one ate yesterday! I wonder if they just needed to know how being full feels because I did nothing different. I hadn't offered live quite as often as f/t, but still frequently enough to know they absolutely wouldn't take them before.
  • 07-12-2012, 01:23 AM
    MarkS
    My opinion. And it can only BE opinion because I highly doubt anybody has ever done any kind of scientifically based study on this and therefore there is no proof, is that cutting eggs doesn't make any difference one way or the other on how well the snake feeds.
  • 07-12-2012, 01:31 AM
    WarriorPrincess90
    It would be very interesting to gather more data on the feeding response of hatchlings who had their eggs cut vs. those who did not. Hmm...I wonder how many clutches with similar results it would take to be deemed a scientific theory? I might have to ask around at the University and found out. I'd be interested in participating to be sure.

    Glad to hear that more of the babies are eating for you now though! :gj:
  • 07-12-2012, 04:59 PM
    kdreptiles
    Dave, Nakita... We gotta figure this thing out! Lol, thanks for all the input, everyone.
  • 07-12-2012, 05:52 PM
    WingedWolfPsion
    I've been wondering if it's a heritable trait. I have one clutch this year where all the babies started quickly, one where most started quickly with a few coming in later, and one in which all but one baby have started late (and one not at all, yet).

    They all (all 3 clutches) hatched within days of each other.
    All were cut once the first babies pipped.
    The one in the later starting clutch that did not start late, was one of the ones that was cut. She, and the one that has not started yet, emerged on the same day--last out of the egg for that clutch. (In fact, the good feeder was the very last out).

    I'll start paying more attention, and make note of who pips on their own and who is cut, but I don't think it's going to turn out to be important.

    Also, the clutch that all started well and early, began pipping on day 53 of incubation. The others began on day 56. So, I don't see a correlation there, either.
  • 07-12-2012, 08:35 PM
    SlitherinSisters
    I don't think so. Last year I had 12 babies and all but two ate the very first time I offered prey. I cut my eggs on day 52-54.
  • 07-12-2012, 09:06 PM
    2kdime
    Absolutely holding true for my year of Blood Python clutches.
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