Quick question, is getting a BEL really as simple as putting two Mojaves together?

Since this whole thing was brought up, I was playing around and I noticed that the calulators show that breeding a BEL with a normal will only get you the original morphs of the BEL , such as all babies will be lesser and mojave, and no chances of producing more BEL's, why is this? I know that normally with a 2 gene to a normal you can still produce another 2 gene.

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Originally Posted by adamfritzsche

Since this whole thing was brought up, I was playing around and I noticed that the calulators show that breeding a BEL with a normal will only get you the original morphs of the BEL , such as all babies will be lesser and mojave, and no chances of producing more BEL's, why is this? I know that normally with a 2 gene to a normal you can still produce another 2 gene.

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you need two copys of the gene in order to produce the bel. so a bel x normal will not give you a bel bel x bel bel x mojo\lesser\butter will give you more bels

Mojave to Mojave does indeed produce a BEL, but be aware almost all Super Mojaves carry dark grey heads. Some people like this, many do not.

To avoid the grey head issue it is better to do a Mojave X Lesser or Mojave X Butter, or leave out the Mojave and do Lesser X Lesser or Butter X Butter, or Lesser X Butter. But there are actually a number of morphs that produce BEL's.

In addition to the ones above:

het Russo's produce the coveted White Wedding, believed by some to be the whitest BEL

Super Honey is another BEL

And if I remember correctly, the Super forms of Mystics and Phantoms are BEL.

Gale

No nothing is ever as easy as anything.

You can buy a pair of Mojave and have the female take years to get up to size because she is a slow grower/poor eater etc.

On ready they might not be interested in breeding.

They breed but the female lays slugs.

Healthy eggs can be laid and than die.

You hatch your eggs but you miss on the odds.

And yes genetically if everything goes as plan you have 25% chance per egg to hatch a BEL

So you need to weighs pros and cons, is time involved worth it or not to you knowing it might take another 2 to 3 years or more before you hatch your own BEL.

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Originally Posted by MarkyMcFly

So as the title states, is it that easy?

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We bred Lesser X Butter last year and got 6 eggs.
1.2 BEL 1.0 lesser 0.1 Butter 1.0 normal

It is that easy :gj:
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Originally Posted by adamfritzsche

Since this whole thing was brought up, I was playing around and I noticed that the calulators show that breeding a BEL with a normal will only get you the original morphs of the BEL , such as all babies will be lesser and mojave, and no chances of producing more BEL's, why is this? I know that normally with a 2 gene to a normal you can still produce another 2 gene.

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Consider it this way. Any base morph (no combos or supers) when bred will donate one gene, either a normal gene or their morph gene. When it comes to combos or supers (like a BEL "super mojo") they can only pass any of the genes attributing to their morph. BELs (lets use a mojoxlesser for example) can pass either the mojo gene or the lesser gene, not both which is what is required for another BEL.

To my understanding you can breed a BEL to another mojo or butter or lesser and get the 25% odds again

And any super will produce no normals by way, even if paired to a normal

If im wrong on this please correct it :)

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Originally Posted by adamfritzsche

Since this whole thing was brought up, I was playing around and I noticed that the calulators show that breeding a BEL with a normal will only get you the original morphs of the BEL , such as all babies will be lesser and mojave, and no chances of producing more BEL's, why is this? I know that normally with a 2 gene to a normal you can still produce another 2 gene.

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It all has to with alleles.

In the case of BELs, since mojave, lesser, and butter are all believed to be carried on the same alleles, one BEL cannot pass both genes at the same time.

In the case of a bumblebee (spider pastel), the two genes are carried on different alleles, so a bumblebee can pass both genes on at the same time.

Hope that explains it a bit. ;)

And as someone already mentioned, yes mojave X mojave pairings lead to BELs with gray/silver heads. Using a butter or lesser with the mojave produces BELs without the gray/silver heads. I hope to breed for BELs next season myself--but since I wanted clean, white ones, I didn't even bother with the mojave gene. I'm planning to do butter X lesser.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

No nothing is ever as easy as anything.

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I fully agree with Deborah...snakes are not fruit flies.

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Originally Posted by WarriorPrincess90

I intend to do LesserxMojo to produce my very own BEL in a few years. I want to breed a female mojo to a Pin and a Lesser to shoot for BELs and Jigsaws. Maybe not in the same clutch, but still. I need to get my customs for my boas, my English Bulldog puppy, and a rack first. ;) I also need a bigger apartment...haha! I'm running out of room. But yes, it really is that easy. Of course, you better do a lot of praying to the Odds Gods... :rolleyes:

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I want an english bulldog puppy too! Theyre one of my favorite breeds, i love their faces. If you get one before me i wanna come over and play with it haha!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

No nothing is ever as easy as anything.

You can buy a pair of Mojave and have the female take years to get up to size because she is a slow grower/poor eater etc.

On ready they might not be interested in breeding.

They breed but the female lays slugs.

Healthy eggs can be laid and than die.

You hatch your eggs but you miss on the odds.

And yes genetically if everything goes as plan you have 25% chance per egg to hatch a BEL

So you need to weighs pros and cons, is time involved worth it or not to you knowing it might take another 2 to 3 years or more before you hatch your own BEL.

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But isn't this the game we all play? This goes no matter what your shooting for!