Where do you fall on the homozygous spider spectrum?

personally i will not make an effort to, nor will i make and effort to avoid breeding spider x spider. while i like the spider gene and have a pair of them, and will have more in the future, it is not a gene i will be focusing on as a main stand point. "wobble" unless it is severe i do not concern myself with it, "Lethal" unless i know 100% for a fact that This x That is lethal, i will not avoid anything in the future. I think the majority will not set out to prove what your asking about, just financially a bust option in my opinion. if it happens it happens, but i think it will be proven by accident, but i seriously doubt it will be a game changer in the Spider Gene aspect if it ever proves otherwise.

Personally I avoid the spider gene because of the wobble. It just doesn't sit well with me to be breeding that. If I were to find a female spider for very cheap or was given one my plans might change, as I do like many spider combos, but for now I am avoiding spider altogether.

I am not breeding spider to spider just like I am not breeding pin to pin or any dom to each other for that mater, reason is: I am looking forward to produce combos not more of the same, just like I could not care less about producing a super that would look no different than any other animals in the clutch.

Note: I do not believe Spider to Spider is lethal.

I am not involved in any spider projects at this time. If I was, I would mate spider x spider intentionally.

My personal theory is that yes, a homozygous spider is possible and worth proving out. No I dont think two straight up spiders could do it. We've seen so many failed clutches and slugs from Spider x Spider. Maybe we just need to add another X gene to the mix that will create the spiders homozygous form without linking it to the nervous system(or at least making it not quite so bad)

I plan on breeding spiders, but I want that to be on the back burner. My other prjects wil involve spider genes, and if we keep adding new and different patterns and genetic information, eventually it may be able to hatch out.

I could be completely wrong, but at the very least this is what I would like to believe.

What about the "I'm trying to cut back on spider gene mutations as they are overdone!"

The spider gene is no longer really interesting to me. We have 4 animals that carry the spider gene right now a breeder spider Female, a Female Bumble bee Proven breeder, a Female Queen bee that should be ready next season, and a male spider PH VPI Axanthic. I really want to get into a full blown genetic banded mutation project. I had to restart the proving of my own line this year due to the lose of a key animal in the project during our move from Ohio to Michigan last year.

I don't have the money and I already have a fairly long wish list complete with what I want to eventually create... none have the spider gene in them. The biggest reasons are that quite honestly the spider gene is used so much already that I don't see the point in breeding my own since they are readily available if I really see the need. Also, wobble isn't something I want to play around with. Watching a baby grow up and it's wobble grow with it would make me sad :tears: I'm a big softie when it comes to snakes.

I am currently incubating 7 eggs from a bee x bee. They are a friends eggs. I would not do this combo for reasons of no genetic gain with the spider gene. So I guess I will know in a month alot about the affects! Ill keep y'all posted. So far so good?

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Originally Posted by snake8myelbo

I am currently incubating 7 eggs from a bee x bee. They are a friends eggs. I would not do this combo for reasons of no genetic gain with the spider gene. So I guess I will know in a month alot about the affects! Ill keep y'all posted. So far so good?

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Definitely let us know how they develop, and if any die before hatching, etc.

I have heard several stories of people breeding spider to a normal and only getting spiders. Good odds, or supers... I suppose the only way to know would be to do it year after year and see.