Bumblebee and lemon blast male/female

i mean, its not a really serious health issue, but in extreme cases BPs with the spider gene strike enclosure walls when trying to strike their food, corcscrew when you handle them, and sometimes rest and sleep belly-up. But it is a health issue, and has never been "debunked" or disproven.

i personally stay away from the spider gene. But i have no problem with people that dont. After all, extremely few snakes have the wobble so bad that you could argue that they suffer, and it doesnt impact life expectancy.

about the linked thread:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...AL-take-a-look
it turned out the person making these claims is some kind of fraud who goes around claiming to have a warehouse full of snakes and a massive breeding operation, but that doesnt seem to be true. The thread started in 2009, and you can read how it all unravels over the years. So the whole thing about proving out 150 spiders by breeding them, it never happened i think. The super spider is still mysteriously absent, and the only well-known mechanism that could explain it biologically has a likely consequence: a 25% fertility drop when breeding spider to spider.