Could this be IBD?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Wobbles are not genetic at all to my knowledge

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"Genetic" is a VERY broad word...the wobble is directly linked to the spider gene, therefore it is genetic. It is not an inheritable trait that will be passed on to non-spider offspring.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Actually, it's possible she DIDN'T have this severe of a wobble when her former owner had her. Shipping stress can bring it out, big time. Had it happen to me--I sold a woma to someone, and by the time it arrived, it was acting just like that. He got a refund, and I got it back. Now I just make sure to note, when I sell them, that these animals can have a wobble, and can develop it at any time, just like spiders. There's nothing wrong with the animal, it's just part of the mutation.

There's nothing wrong with your spider, and her offspring are no more likely to wobble than the offspring of any other spider.

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Well I do remember than when we shipped the overnight lows were not the best. She arrived pretty cold.
I just assumed he screwed me over because I have bought 2 snakes from him before the spider. And he was great and more than willing to answer any and all questions, the snakes were in great shape. And then I tried contacting him about the spider and I got no response.

I figured I just had to take on loss on her.
well it makes me feel better once again that you guys think breeding her can be done.
I just hope the babies wont have that kind of a wobble...but what if they do? how would I sell them?
This is why I wanted to get out of spiders! arrg.
Love the way they look and their combos but man it just isnt worth it to me.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Wobbles are not genetic at all to my knowledge and i wouldnt hesitate to breed her. I wouldnt allow her to maternally incubate, but im pretty sure you have a bator anyhow.
I would not hesitate at all to move her into the rack. Also if you get a chance to, posting a video of it would really help. No matter how well you try and explain the severity of it, the wobble could be worse or better than what were picturing in our heads lol.

For comparison, is it as bad as this? Not as bad or worse?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVQmiywlaJk

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Her wobble is EXACTLY like that spider in the video you linked. Except she doesnt always have her head tilted.

I have a video on my phone but alas I broke my phone last night and wont have a replacement from the company until tomorrow. I will post a video as soon as I can.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

"Genetic" is a VERY broad word...the wobble is directly linked to the spider gene, therefore it is genetic. It is not an inheritable trait that will be passed on to non-spider offspring.

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Ok yes inheritable from parent to offspring is what i meant.
thank you

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

"Genetic" is a VERY broad word...the wobble is directly linked to the spider gene, therefore it is genetic. It is not an inheritable trait that will be passed on to non-spider offspring.

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yayayaya you know what i meant wiseguy :rolleyes:

its genetic to the spider gene but all of her offspring could have no noticecable wobble. Like a 90% white pied throwing all low pied offspring. Its all randomn.

If you really didn't want to deal with it, you could probably easily rehome her too. There are plenty of folks out there who aren't bothered by the spider wobble. ;) Like me. Haha! But I have no more room for snakeys currently. :(

Anyway, as has been mentioned, breeding her would still be fine and she should be able to be moved into your collection at this point as long as that is her only issue. If she had that bad of a wobble prior to shipping, the breeder should have informed you, but it can come on at any time with Spiders, so he may not have known it was that bad.

Also, as to IBD, which has been covered really, but just thought I'd add that IBD is primarily seen in boas and is VERY uncommon in pythons. I believe, if I'm remembering what I read correctly, the only instances of IBD having been seen in pythons were in pythons that had been housed in close proximity to affected boas. Soooo...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'm about 99% positive it isn't IBD. Plus, if she had IBD, she'd have deteriorated noticeably within the first few months and would likely be dead by now. She probably wouldn't have been eating either. If her behavior has been more or less constant since you've had her, again, not IBD. Hope that makes you feel better. :gj:

She's be deadsky by now if it was IBD. In pythons its quick and nasty.
It sounds like a normal train wreck spider wobble. I have one of those too. He thrives, eats, and breeds but acts like a silly boy all the time. I think if you're ok to deal with the wobs deal with it. Spiders are some of my best eaters and breeders.


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Originally Posted by WarriorPrincess90

If you really didn't want to deal with it, you could probably easily rehome her too. There are plenty of folks out there who aren't bothered by the spider wobble. ;) Like me. Haha! But I have no more room for snakeys currently. :(

Anyway, as has been mentioned, breeding her would still be fine and she should be able to be moved into your collection at this point as long as that is her only issue. If she had that bad of a wobble prior to shipping, the breeder should have informed you, but it can come on at any time with Spiders, so he may not have known it was that bad.

Also, as to IBD, which has been covered really, but just thought I'd add that IBD is primarily seen in boas and is VERY uncommon in pythons. I believe, if I'm remembering what I read correctly, the only instances of IBD having been seen in pythons were in pythons that had been housed in close proximity to affected boas. Soooo...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'm about 99% positive it isn't IBD. Plus, if she had IBD, she'd have deteriorated noticeably within the first few months and would likely be dead by now. She probably wouldn't have been eating either. If her behavior has been more or less constant since you've had her, again, not IBD. Hope that makes you feel better. :gj:

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Well maybe now that I have some confirmation on her condition I suppose I'll try breeding her this year. Shes at a good weight...worth a shot I guess.
I'm just glad she doesnt appear sick.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

She's be deadsky by now if it was IBD. In pythons its quick and nasty.
It sounds like a normal train wreck spider wobble. I have one of those too. He thrives, eats, and breeds but acts like a silly boy all the time. I think if you're ok to deal with the wobs deal with it. Spiders are some of my best eaters and breeders.


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Oh I agree on that, my spiders have been my best eaters. They POUND food.
I just hadnt seen a wobble to that extent so you could imagine my surprise. The first and only spider I ever owned did not have noticable wobble. So this crazy lady caught me off gaurd to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

She's be deadsky by now if it was IBD. In pythons its quick and nasty.
It sounds like a normal train wreck spider wobble. I have one of those too. He thrives, eats, and breeds but acts like a silly boy all the time. I think if you're ok to deal with the wobs deal with it. Spiders are some of my best eaters and breeders.


Check out what's new on my website... www.Homegrownscales.com

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OP I do not believe you snake has IBD. It is very uncommon and not very likely. There is a test if you were truly concerned, You would need to contact Dr. E Jacobson in Florida (jacobsone@ufl.edu) The test the last time I checked was 100$ it needs to be prepared by a vet.

I asked Dr. Jacobson questions about IBD in pythons as he is the only scientist researching this disease. the answers were not what I wanted to hear. There is no evidence that it does not lay dormant in pythons and that it can be slow onset like boas. My conversation with him...


1. I am concerned with Royal Pythons (Python Regius) has there been evidence of them carrying IBD for long periods of time with out showing symptoms?

I am not aware of any information about this,


2. Is it correct that in this smaller species IBD typically attacks the Central nervous system quickly, and results in quick (months not years) appearance of associated symptoms, and death?

Not that I am aware of.

3. If there is research specifically relating to Python Regius, would you have a reference that you could provide to me?

I do not know anyone who is focused on studying IBD in ball pythons.

EJacobson

Also just to note, we have a spider who showed absolutely ZERO signs of wobbling. Until he had to have baytril injections for a hemipene prolapse. Stress REALLY brings it out. Also sometimes feeding time can bring it out. And sometimes it's very alarming to see them corkscrew like that. I just call my spiders my cute little screwballs :P