am i a spider or do i have more going on??????????

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Last year I bred a Lesser male to a bumblebee female.
The lesser has no stripe and the bee really doesn't have much if any either.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT4599.jpg

But they produced...

female queenbee with a killer stripe...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/100_2421.jpg

and a lesserbee female...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/PICT9867.jpg

The bee's in the clutch had very little striping, but as you see spider can throw some striped offspring, no extra genes are needed to do so.

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ok i see.but now would it be passed on from her to who ever you breed her to?with him it seems to be passed on

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

ok i see.but now would it be passed on from her to who ever you breed her to?with him it seems to be passed on

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Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, only breeding him multiple times would let you know if he passes it on more than occasionally.

I don't know if the stripes on the females I produced will carry over to the offspring, I'd assume some will get it and some won't, just like my black pastels that are jungle pattern also throw blush back black pastels :confused:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, only breeding him multiple times would let you know if he passes it on more than occasionally.

I don't know if the stripes on the females I produced will carry over to the offspring, I'd assume some will get it and some won't, just like my black pastels that are jungle pattern also throw blush back black pastels :confused:

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got ya. thanks ill have to see what happens.i paired him with a female and he locked that day.left him in for 2 days took him out for a break and food.didnt eat.put him back in with the female and now has no intrest.any idea why?

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

got ya. thanks ill have to see what happens.i paired him with a female and he locked that day.left him in for 2 days took him out for a break and food.didnt eat.put him back in with the female and now has no intrest.any idea why?

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Too soon,
They need breaks between pairing, a couple days is not always enough time for the female to recuperate.
I usually only pair once a week or less often depending on the pairing and how many lock ups they do.
If they lock multiple times in the couple of days that they are together I give the female a week or so off before pairing her again.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I have a "thing" for reduced patterns

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Me and you both! :gj:

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

if its genetic then its would be recessive like a genetic stripe.

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Just because it might be genetic does not mean it has to be a recessive trait. G-Stripe is a recessive, but that does not mean all stripe patterns are.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Too soon,
They need breaks between pairing, a couple days is not always enough time for the female to recuperate.
I usually only pair once a week or less often depending on the pairing and how many lock ups they do.
If they lock multiple times in the couple of days that they are together I give the female a week or so off before pairing her again.

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ok ill try that.i paired up a few male with females and none of them are gravid.just my luck.lesson learned since this was my first breeding season that passed.oh well ill try again.

I do think that some stripe patterns, and some reduced patterns are genetic...and possibly are due to single genes. People simply aren't bothering (for whatever reason) to identify them as a morph.

A pairing of 2 recessives would explain why two non-striped animals would consistently throw some striped offspring.

I have a female that throws striped lessers when I pair her with a specific lesser male.

We may be able to create some very distinctive looks if we pay more attention to these 'just a reduced normal' animals, and to the striped ones as well.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I do think that some stripe patterns, and some reduced patterns are genetic...and possibly are due to single genes. People simply aren't bothering (for whatever reason) to identify them as a morph.

A pairing of 2 recessives would explain why two non-striped animals would consistently throw some striped offspring.

I have a female that throws striped lessers when I pair her with a specific lesser male.

We may be able to create some very distinctive looks if we pay more attention to these 'just a reduced normal' animals, and to the striped ones as well.

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thats what i plan on doing.once i find out if he deff passes the stripe down on my end.it just adds more style and attitude to the paint job of the morph.i think.

looks like a pretty normal low white spider to me. the neck stripe near his head is neat, but nothing really all that special imo

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

We may be able to create some very distinctive looks if we pay more attention to these 'just a reduced normal' animals, and to the striped ones as well.

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Haven't genetic reduced bp's been around for a while now? David Fernandez (I think that's his name) used to have pics of some killer reduced pattern (but otherwise normal) bp's...