List of Morph Issues

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Kinking with super cinny/black pastel as well.

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I've herd mixed things about this, so wasn't sure if it was an actual issue or just something that happened to a few people. Any info anyone could share would be great.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Males throw weird sex ratios?
Whats that mean?
Banana males produce all male or all female clutches?

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Yeah some males have a super gene that when breed all they produce are males. Not all males but a few.

I've seen a kinked supper cinny at a show, was offered another one in a trade. Here's a thread on super black pastels, and there are quite a few others covering both blacks/cinnies that mention kinking. I would guess that the odds of it being all coincidental are astronomical.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...x-black-pastel

You forgot Woma.
(HG Woma, Woma, and Spider all have a somewhat similar pattern aberration. Whatever causes it, they all wobble).

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Originally Posted by dr del

This is the video in fact;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVEgGqWnmc

Hope this helps.


dr del

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It's an interesting video, I just wish they both didn't look like kids that just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. That's the problem with youtube, nobody ever rehearses anything before putting it up for the whole world to see.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I've seen a kinked supper cinny at a show, was offered another one in a trade. Here's a thread on super black pastels, and there are quite a few others covering both blacks/cinnies that mention kinking. I would guess that the odds of it being all coincidental are astronomical.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...x-black-pastel

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Thank you

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

You forgot Woma.
(HG Woma, Woma, and Spider all have a somewhat similar pattern aberration. Whatever causes it, they all wobble).

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Never herd anything about standard womas. Just handled 20 some standard womas last weekend and none of them showed anything. Guess I could ask the breeder about them. News to me.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Never herd anything about standard womas. Just handled 20 some standard womas last weekend and none of them showed anything. Guess I could ask the breeder about them. News to me.

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http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ht=woma+wobble

... Seems like maybe it's not as prevalent as spiders, but still present.

I don't know that I would call the banana sex ratio a problem or even an "issue" ... I think it's just a really wonky mode of inheritance ;)

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ht=woma+wobble

... Seems like maybe it's not as prevalent as spiders, but still present.

I don't know that I would call the banana sex ratio a problem or even an "issue" ... I think it's just a really wonky mode of inheritance ;)

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Did some more googling and found enough pictures of kinked super cinnys and a super couple black pastels, where it does seem to happen more than normal with them. After skimming through random threads google pulled up it doesn't seem to happen that often though. So I think I would call it rare but it does happen. If I get a chance I'll try to talk to some people who work with the gene directly. If anyone has more info to share, please enlighten us.

I missed that thread on the womas, no doubt with that many people reporting it.

As for the banana I know when banana males were in short supply, it was no doubt an issue lol. I just wanted a list of all the things that change with certain morphs, besides their color and pattern. Maybe it would more appropriately be called the List of Morph Oddities.

Here's my updated list

Also, champagne sable has more of a wobble than either morph on its own, AFAIK.

Seems that any combination of champ, sable and spider fairs poorly.

I really don't think the Duckbill in super cinnies and super black are an issue, I had one that I produce myself and they really look awesome, its like the humans with their nose or face, not everybody will have the same shape, they are different types of shapes. The duckbill really don't do anything bad to them its just a different type of shape on their faces.