Switching from live to frozen/thawed. How?

Just looked it up. Sounds basically like breaking its neck. Somehow that seems more painful than suffocating it. But I'm no expert on death.


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Originally Posted by Manasha-Bogo

No idea what cervical displacement is... but what I did was I put the mouse into a zip lock bag. I waited thinking it would just suffocate, but it didn't. So I took my tongs and pressed the mouse down so it couldn't breath in. The tongs were wide enough to extend from rear legs to front legs. It was dead literally within 4 seconds.

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Please do a simple frickin' Google search for cervical displacement.

As for your method, I've literally been sitting in front of my screen for the last 5 mins trying to type a response. Words just fail me, but, don't do that anymore :mad:

Well you suffocating it is going to take much longer than you breaking it's neck. A ziplock bag suffocation is different as well from the snake constricting and killing it. Let the snake do it or make things instant. jmho


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After a snake eats they will usually roam around their cages. What they are doing is looking for more food. They go into hunt/eat mode. It usually takes an hour or two for them to get out of that mode but they will. And sometimes you can use this hunting mode to your advantage for switching to F/T, after they eat a small live or pre killed mouse, not using tongs to pre kill, you can try offering a F/T but just use smaller food items.

ok im not gunna bash you but please do not use that method again. Its alot quicker and humane if you just break their neck. When a snake contricts them they die within about a minute. Your plastic bag method made it suffer wayyyy more than it had to. Just do cervical dislocation next time :)

Ok. I will try to find out how to do that efficiently. For the record I did try to look up how to do it but all I kept coming up with were how to rid a house of rodents using rat traps and poison. Again, I guess I was not searching correctly (obviously) if this information is out there and I just didn't find it. The reason it didn't die in the bag is because I left too much air in there, so aside from it trying to get out, I wouldn't say that it was suffering much. I only waited about 2 minutes. And I couldn't believe how fast it died with I pressed down on it. I didn't press hard enough to crack bones or rupture organs. Only hard enough so that it could not breath. I have to admit that my heart skipped a beat while doing this. I've never intentionally killed an animal in my life, but I tried to think of it as food and went on with it.

Anyways, sorry if I disturbed anyone with my methods...

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Instructions

1. Grasp the mouse firmly by the tail with one hand. You should only do this with mice that are more than three or four weeks of age: If they're any younger, you might pull the tail off.
2. Pinch the base of the mouse's head between the thumb and forefinger of your other hand.
3. Pull each end of the mouse in opposite directions.
4. Listen for the crack and snap that indicates the mouse's neck has been broken. The mouse will probably go very still. Its legs may twitch reflexively, but this is just a nerve reflex. The mouse is already dead.

Read more: How to Kill Mice for Snake Food | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_5037730_kill...#ixzz1uoZvEJBS

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Ugh... Honestly, I don't know if I can do this.... I think I will just buy frozen and hope for the best.

How is cervical dislocation any worse than forcing tongs on it so it can't breathe :s


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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

How is cervical dislocation any worse than forcing tongs on it so it can't breathe

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I knew someone would ask. And here's my answer. Keeping in mind that I'm talking about my personal feelings on the matter, I'm not stating anything as a "fact" or anything else.

Using tongs to push down on a mouse so that it could not take a breath is like mimicking how it would have died if I had dropped him in the bin with my bp. He would have been bitten and the snake would have wrapped itself around it, constricting it, until it could not breath. Then it would suffocate to death. The mouse I killed suffocated. Same thing. I didn't have to touch the mouse, I didn't have to feel it's dying body in my hands.

Breaking its neck, on the other hand, requires that I hold it. In or out of a bag; with or without gloves on, I'm still touching it and I'm still able to feel it struggling against my grip. Then to snap its neck and "pull the head and rear in opposite directions" until I hear a snap, is a totally different story for me. That's a bit more intimate of a kill and I don't think I could do it without becoming very anxious about it. So you see for me they are very different.

I'm not saying you should agree and I'm not saying any of the above is true for everyone or that everyone sees it the same way. This is just how I feel about it.

A bit easier method is to just bonk it. A mouse would take a very swift bonk to a hard surface. I used to use a pillowcaseback in the day. Or you could contiue feeding live. No reason to really have to switch to ft in my opinion. Its easier for me to drop live mouse or rats into an enclosure and the snake to do its job. No work for me at all....