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  • 05-07-2012, 11:01 AM
    JTrott
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam Chandler View Post
    Colin is one of the best guys in the business. I actually just picked up a Killer Spin from him last week. All of his animals are top quality and he stands behind them as being such.

    Here is a link to the article the OP was talking about: Practical Principles for Ball Python Breeders.
    I'd recommend checking it out. It's a very well written and informative article.

    Well, like I said in my last post, had a link to the article been provided by the OP, or the paragraph/statment been copied/pasted, I MIGHT not have repsonded the way that I did initially.....I don't know Colin, nor have I done business with him, and honestly, I probably won't, not because of the article, just because I have people I already spend my money with, and I am a VERY loyal customer if I am done right.

    I will take some time to read the article.

    Jason
  • 05-07-2012, 11:11 AM
    Trochu
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JTrott View Post
    Usually when you see something like that, it is becasue they are thinking from the MONEY aspect of things...you can't make as much money when you breed a $100 male spider to a $600 female pied......so you breed a $1500 desert male to a $600 female pied and make more money.......basically, you see that when people are too worried about making money...thanks for the heads up on who NOT to do business with...wether on purpose or not......

    Jason

    As long as your going one-to-one, and not multiple like you suggested, I see it making no difference. A $100 male spider to a $600 female pied will provide the same as a $600 male pied to a $100 female spider.....

    I personnal don't see this as a reason for not doing business with someone, if he thinks it helps make a bit more cash, and isn't harming the animals, why not.
  • 05-07-2012, 11:12 AM
    versicolor
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    Sorry about that guys, I guess I should have included a link or explained it better.
  • 05-07-2012, 12:36 PM
    Redneck_Crow
    A female can contribute her genetics to one clutch a year. A male can contribute his genetics to several. Plus, most males are less expensive to buy than a comperable female. So it makes business sense to sink some money into higher value males. But if you're not trying to make money, it's your choice to do the opposite.

    I'm going to be breeding a couple of nice morphs to my dinker male over the next several years because I'm not doing it for the money, and because it pleases me to do so. But regardless, I appreciate it when someone gives me free advice on how I can most efficiently make more money selling my snakes if I choose to do so.

    After all, some guy could be encouraging me to buy very expensive female morphs from him instead of a single high value male and some less expensive females, and that would be making more money for him. If he's advising me to take a route that is potentially less lucrative for him that leads me to believe that he's not only in it for the money but that he's willing to show me how to get more value for my money.
  • 05-07-2012, 01:08 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow View Post
    But regardless, I appreciate it when someone gives me free advice on how I can most efficiently make more money selling my snakes if I choose to do so.

    After all, some guy could be encouraging me to buy very expensive female morphs from him instead of a single high value male and some less expensive females, and that would be making more money for him. If he's advising me to take a route that is potentially less lucrative for him that leads me to believe that he's not only in it for the money but that he's willing to show me how to get more value for my money.

    x2 I love Colin's articles; they really make me pause and think. Seeing BP breeding from a lucrative fiscal perspective doesn't mean someone is disregarding them as living creatures.
  • 05-07-2012, 01:43 PM
    sissysnakes
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    He really does have beautiful animals. He lives near by and I often see him set up at shows around the area. They are just as lovely in person as in the photos on his website.
  • 05-07-2012, 02:09 PM
    zach_24_90
    I mean it makes sense to me... I mean if I have $1000 to spend and I buy a 800 triple gene male and two 100 normal females I'm going to get a lot more in return after the breeding than if I spend 800 on a single gene female and 200 on a single gene male....
  • 05-07-2012, 02:40 PM
    FoxReptiles
    Re: Why a higher value male to a lower value female?
    Another loyal Colin Weaver customer here. I've purchased a couple of animals from him over the past year.

    The article in question is a great read and he explicitly states that he's not writing to the hobbyist breeder in the post. He definitely brings up some good points that might otherwise be lost when considering your strategy in acquiring and pairing animals. I found it most helpful.
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