Madison, my low grade pastel

Thank you I can understand that 100% I just needed an explanation. thank you
Her eyes are much more green in good light, they are olive green colored, and her yellows are very intense and her black colors are also very very bright. I did not think black could be vibrant until I saw her and how colorful the black actually is.
i'm not an expert on pastels and Max isn't either but somebody who owns a pastel and has owned several in the past saw her in person and did say she is a very, very low grade pastel
she was much brighter as a baby and it has since faded quite a bit. do most pastels do that? it didn't necessarily brown out, just dulled...sad.
but yes the camera can capture nice close ups but as for color it is not terrific, it is a 7.0? megapixel or 6.0 megapixel cell phone camera on a Samsung Galaxy i think it is
hard to see. tried taking photos of the yellow mark on my other snake's belly and you can see it so well in person but on the camera it does not come out at all. it's a shame. wish I could send her to all of you so could see her yellow color lol
but what do you look for to tell if a snake is a pastel? i have read the hunter's guide, is that all you look for or is there more? thanks for help

This is Bana, my brothers very yellow normal. We assumed for a long time that Bana was a pastel because of the traits that you described, but once we caught a glimpse of a real pastel, it was obvious we were wrong. And once I really got into pastels, i now know better. Bana is more yellow than my older nerd line pastel, but the differences in every other pastel trait is obvious. We have also had Bana looked at by other breeders and bp experts but no one can/will nail down a morph. Most recently Brian Gundy himself said he's a very yellow normal. Everyone agrees, there is something going on with him, but he is, at most, a "high yellow normal".
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This is a great tool.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ot-...-Pastels

That's a normal... No doubt about it. Idk who the "snake expert" is but you should probably not ask them for anymore advice. The pattern doesn't say pastel, the eyes aren't a pastel's green eyes, and thays just a normal brown.... When a pastel is a low grade pastel you can still tell. A browned out pastel still looks COMPLETLY different than a regular "normal" brown

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Originally Posted by shelliebear

she has green eyes clear belly and lots of yellow how is that not pastel i dont get it lol

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Your snake expert isn't a very good expert on ball python morphs. The belly is not as clear as a pastel belly. There's nothing about her, poor lighting or not, that suggests pastel.

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This is a pastels eye using a crappy iPhone camera, and you can still somewhat see the green. While I don't see pastel in any of your pics I can't say for sure it's not a low quality pastel. The clear belly and blushing are pastel signs, though these can be on normals too. There are a few things you can do to get better quality pics. Take a few pics outside in the sun. And put something in the photo we all can adjust the color of our screens to, ie a coke can. Once the color of the coke can is matched the color of the snake should be much closer to the actual snake. Hope this helps some.

I have a Samsung Galaxy, I promise, it isn't your phone taking poor pictures - I would say - based on what I have seen in pictures of actual pastels, that yours is not a pastel. I'm no expert by any means, but I don't see one :/

I'm gonna guess it's a male normal...however, I'm no expert...:)

not a pastel no affence but a nice normale indeed pastels have different pattern and color variations thats definitly not a pastel also i would get a different oppinion on sex if its female its very slim to be one

It is definitely a normal not a pastel. Pastels have more blushing as I understand.