Advice on making an offer

Wow, really? So in other words, money is more important to you all than a friendship?? I have given plenty of my friends 50% deals or better. Not many of my friends are into snakes and the ones that are, aren't to the extent that I am, but I have hooked my TRUE friends up with computer parts, car parts, and all types of other stuff for 50% or less of it's value. I would have no problem doing the same with a snake if I was trying to sell it since I would know it was going to a good home and could keep an eye on it as well.

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Originally Posted by decensored

thanks for the advice guys. I almost bought his whole collection but I had some reservations, and we kinda shied out of the deal. I am looking at picking up an adult spider (super high white) proven female. 2000gr. produced 9 eggs for my buddy 2 seasons ago and he didn't breed her this time so she will be ready to hopefully give me 9 this year. He want's 600. I think I'm gonna give him the 6.

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$600 sounds like a very good deal for a 2000 gram Spider girl! I would take that in a second without trying to negotiate a lower price.
There are 1200-1500 gram girls on kingsnake and fauna right now for that price or more.

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

$600 sounds like a very good deal for a 2000 gram Spider girl! I would take that in a second without trying to negotiate a lower price.
There are 1200-1500 gram girls on kingsnake and fauna right now for that price or more.

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x2 I agree. The only thing is if she had a really bad wobble it may be a deal breaker for me personally.

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Originally Posted by Wes

Wow, really? So in other words, money is more important to you all than a friendship?? I have given plenty of my friends 50% deals or better. Not many of my friends are into snakes and the ones that are, aren't to the extent that I am, but I have hooked my TRUE friends up with computer parts, car parts, and all types of other stuff for 50% or less of it's value. I would have no problem doing the same with a snake if I was trying to sell it since I would know it was going to a good home and could keep an eye on it as well.

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You are missing the point. Many of us would gladly give a friend a good deal... but friendship is also about respect. I would NEVER ask a friend for 50% off because I expect a good deal. Likewise, if were to be lowballed that dramatically by a friend, how much can that person possibly respect me?

This has nothing to do with money. I would expect maybe 10-20% off from a friend and that's a big maybe. My friends know that I'd rather deal with them at market value (in anything I do) than get into squabbles about what is the right discount for a friend. IMHO you can't go wrong with leaving your friendships out of your business practices when dealing with friends.

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Originally Posted by Wes

Wow, really? So in other words, money is more important to you all than a friendship?? I have given plenty of my friends 50% deals or better. Not many of my friends are into snakes and the ones that are, aren't to the extent that I am, but I have hooked my TRUE friends up with computer parts, car parts, and all types of other stuff for 50% or less of it's value. I would have no problem doing the same with a snake if I was trying to sell it since I would know it was going to a good home and could keep an eye on it as well.

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yea, that makes since. I guess I was just looking at it as if it was me and I was offering my friend a deal. I guess it could come off kind of insulting if you already have a price set in your head and someone comes at you with something way lower.

first off, it would all depend on how it was presented to you, is he selling them off because his house is about to foreclose, his car is going to be repossessed, or is he just done with snake for what ever reason.

if he is in a pinch, and needs quick cash, sure don't be a douche, offer fair market to help him out, if it is the other, make the 50% offer and see what he says. even if he has a set price in mind, chances are he is reluctant to tell you out right what his price is. once you have a number on the table work from there, but i would also have a price i am willing to pay, and most importantly, be willing to let him walk and pass on it, most often they will call you the next day and take your final offer. if not, hey your not out anything.

I bought the spider girl from my buddy at Omega Pythons. I expressed interest and he knocked her down to $500 for me. It's his original spider girl but he's playing with killerbees, lesser bees, calico spiders. It's just not worth it to him anymore to keep throwing males in with single genes. Check out his site. He is credited for the pewter queens, awesome guy and he has an AWESOME collection.

http://omegapythons.ca/Collection.html

The picture of the spider in his collection pics is the girl I am getting. Very light/yellow and high white sides. Wobble is almost non existent. I was handling her yesterday and I didn't see any wobble issues.

I got a GREAT DEAL. I didn't buy the other collection because there was some things that made us nervous and although it was an awesome deal, I didn't want to risk the 20+ animals in my collection. It was a risk that was too high to take.

I almost picked up 20 Adult breeders incld. Black past, het. red pairs, pied pairs, albino pairs, axanthics, yb, mojo, lessers, spiders, pastels, gen stipe, banded and some big norm girls. and a pair of breeding hypo nic boas for $2500.00. I was heart broken not to get it but some of them were showing signs of serious illness and even though they might have been fine it was a huge risk and I didn't have the money to pay the vet to treat 23 snakes if needed..

I can see it on both sides.

1. I would never charge market values for my friends or business associates with few exceptions.

2. I would never haggle with a friend. I wouldn't charge them regular price and I expect the same consideration and respect. If my buddy wants to sell me an animal at market value than I won't be doing business with them, not because I am cheap - but because good business relationships are based on mutually beneficial interactions. If I give my buddy a BP at half market value and he tries to charge me full price, than where is the respect..

It's that simple to me. I am lucky.. I am on great terms with two of the most well respected and admired breeders/ suppliers in my area. They have always treated me with patience, respect, and we come to agreements based on those factors. It's very difficult to survive in this business if you make enemies with all of your competition.