Newb trying to find the right BP morph

Can't go wrong with a nice Axanthic female and black pastel male.:D

I almost forgot about my thread after it got a bunch of views and no posts on the day I posted it I figured I did something wrong or posted in the wrong place ^^;

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Black pastels are cheaper.

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That's good to know, thanks~

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Cinnys and Black Pastels are cheap, you can grab males cheaper.
Take your money and go to your local show. Walk around and see what catches your eye.;)

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I gotta wait until the Canadian Reptile Breeders' Expo [CRBE] in September then, since I'm probably going to miss out on the show near me in May [convention conflict, haha ^^;] Most reptiles that catch my eye aren't so great on the wallet though :p

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

That isn't the cheapest list of morphs. :D. As far as size, females to get bigger. I like the spider gene so I am not much help as far as what to chose. Lesser/butter is also nice, but they are lighter. Clean pattern though.. Couldn't you order from a breeder and have it shipped? Welcome to bps, and bp.net!

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lol I know, I guess I have expensive taste? XD What does a Butter Lesser look like? o.O or did you mean either of them? lol, I don't know enough about genetics yet to know of those "combo" together or not ^^;
There seem to be many people in the US [in general] that can't or won't ship up to Canada, so my options are limited. Even if the prices are better there, shipping+customs+duties/etc might make them about the same as here x.x
Thanks for the welcome! Not sure if I'll dive in right away but I am interested in BPs ^^;

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Originally Posted by jcoylesr76

my suggestions would be to hit shows, look online, find something that stands out to you. not sure on the prices of a few you have listed, but a few of them will be under your predetermined price cap (and could get a couple of them). and generally the males will be less than females, and females generally will be larger than males, as far as age a late 2011 early 2012 should be young enough in your standards.

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Yea, probably going to see if I can find a local show to check out, there's not too many around here, and I don't drive so that makes some less accessible :/ Do the adult female BPs get big enough that they'd need a bigger enclosure compared to an adult male? o.O I know carpet pythons can have some pretty varying lengths between the sexes, but if I got a pair of BPs I'd want to keep them in a 2' x 2' x 1' enclosure [well, a 4' x 2' x 1' split enclosure], would that be big enough for them? I keep seeing caresheets/guide with measurements in gallons [and searching for those gives me tanks with weird measurements], I'm Canadian I don't get that gallon stuff :B

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Originally Posted by travis11

Cinnamon, Woma, and Black Pastel maybe? Those are all fairly cheap and very nice looking snakes! Or you can find a really cool looking Normal if you search around the web enough....

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Not so sure on Womas...I guess if all else fails a Normal would be okay XD

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Originally Posted by Cameron Lamb Exotics

Chocolate or super chocolate

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Ooh, those are pretty neat too! Is a Super Chocolate really in that price range though? o.O

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Originally Posted by Slim

Buy a Normal. At the rate things are going, a Normal BP will be rare in 5 years......:D

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LOL that could be possible :p

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Originally Posted by QuidsBalls

Haha :P
I don't think Normals will be rare at any point in the future ;)

I have personally picked up a pretty nice Male Black Pastel for $140
He looks great, only weighs 225g right now but when he's bigger i'll be breeding him hopefully to a female Cinnamon
Also, I have picked up normal females who weigh only 120g for only $20

Keep a sharp eye out though, 2 of my normal females came with scale rot :( I've been treating them both ever since..

Anyways, keep a list of morphs you want, figure out what they are worth, and keep an eye on the market for something that is cheaper than average

Yes, the younger ones are normally cheaper, unless the person you go to is selling out their collection or they are looking to get rid of their current breeders for new ones :)

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I've never seen a BP for $20 up here, cheapest I think was $75? Maybe $50? I can't remember, was 2 years ago last I went to an expo, but [exotic]pet stores don't have 'em cheap either ^^;
My list of most wanted morphs seems to be incompatible with my budget, haha. I had made this thread with the intention of at least starting to figure out the price ranges of these BPs as I'm totally clueless XD

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

look at the pastel calico. makes a nice high contrast looking animal

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Those look neat, though some of the ones in the World of Pythons list look kinda like their darker scales start growing back as they get bigger? I dunno what to call it but it looks a little weird XD Like this one:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pastel/013.jpg
Does that always happen? I know a lot of the pics on the morph list are of hatchlings/young BPs so they might not be accurate for the morph as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

Can't go wrong with a nice Axanthic female and black pastel male.:D

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Ya think those'd stay in my budget range? o.O that'd be awesome if so XD would switching the genders on the morphs make any difference [either in price or in potential breeding combos?]

Thanks for all the replies everyone :3

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Originally Posted by Jessicat

Hey all, kind of a random first post. I currently have 4 leopard geckos and a jungle carpet python, but was thinking of getting a ball python in the future. The thing is, I'm a BP newb and even though there's over 1,000 different morphs and I can't seem to find something that I both like and is within my price range [also being in Canada doesn't seem to help with the price point part, lol, I swear I've seen some normals go for $100].

For the most part I really like BP morphs with a dark colouration/pattern or the ones that are monochromatic/minimal brown and yellow. Looking around on World of Ball Pythons I've seen these so far that are interesting:
-Axanthic/Axanthic combos
-Desert/Desert Ghost [is "Desert Ghost" Desert+Ghost or is it it's own morph?]
-Sable
-Black Pastel
-Black Lace
-Cinnamon/Super Cinnamon/Lithium

Not sure if there's anything else out there that's similar to these? I also kind of like the Calico-types, but are there any other morph combos that work with the Calico that bring out only the "upper half region" patterning, if that makes sense? Aside from the Calider/Calico-Spider, which brings me to my next point,

My restrictions on these are:
-under 4 digit price [preferably under $750, but that seems unlikely]
-don't really want to deal with Spider-related morphs
-don't need "hets", probably not going to breed them [but who knows, lol]
-preferably less than a year old [I think the younger ones are usually cheaper]
-don't think gender matters, do females grow that much bigger than males?

And I think that's about it ^^; Hope I posted this is in the right sub-forum, and thanks in advance for the help :3

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Well my thought is find the morph you like and then find the one you like the best of that and buy it. but keep this in mind.... they are like potatoe chips you cant have just one. lol as for the dark morphs I like cinnamons and black pastels they also seem to hammer food like no tomorrow so less stress on the going off feed with them. deff go for the co-dom or dom morphs hets are just slow if you decide to get into breeding down the road. I also suggest getting a female first in case you decide to breed. because it will take longer to get up to breeding size than the males. As for being in Canada check out Marcus Jayne reptiles. i've seen some really nice animals from there. also hit some reptile expos. you may even find something you like better. good luck and happy herping!

Curious as to why you don't want to deal with spiders.

Black Pewter

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ULIET_WM_1.jpg

check out worldofballpythons.com they show all 1100+ morphs and 1000 of them have pictures. you should be able to see which one you want. then google search or ask on here for a breeder. these people are great and will help you!

:-)
~Brian

Ok, so lack of yellow is one of your things. Hmmmm, That really limits your choices in your price range.

Cinnamons can be outstanding, and are reasonably priced. Black Pastel are similar, and priced about the same. If you have no intention of breeding then Axanthic is out of the question, because you are extremely unlikely to find a visual in your price range.

You can find what are known as IMG balls, these have increased melanin, and are quite dark in some cases.

Have you looked into Pinstripes? They can be quite attractive, and one with a busy pattern should be close to what you had in mind. And within your budget. How about Mojaves ? They can be beautiful and are affordable.

You are correct in thinking taxes/customs and such will almost certainly put any ball purchased in the states in the same price range as one you find there.

Gale

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Originally Posted by H.o.F.R

Well my thought is find the morph you like and then find the one you like the best of that and buy it. but keep this in mind.... they are like potatoe chips you cant have just one. lol as for the dark morphs I like cinnamons and black pastels they also seem to hammer food like no tomorrow so less stress on the going off feed with them. deff go for the co-dom or dom morphs hets are just slow if you decide to get into breeding down the road. I also suggest getting a female first in case you decide to breed. because it will take longer to get up to breeding size than the males. As for being in Canada check out Marcus Jayne reptiles. i've seen some really nice animals from there. also hit some reptile expos. you may even find something you like better. good luck and happy herping!

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Ahaha, I know what you mean about not getting just one, that's what happened with me and my Leos; I kind of want to get a 5th one now [and I don't even breed them, they're just so awesome and adorable, lol]
I'm starting to get disappointed that I probably won't be able to check out the local expo here in May... well, I might but it's a bit too soon to be bringing any more reptiles home, so being tempted won't help me at all [I really gotta work on moving out, there's no more room in my bedroom XD]
And yea, Markus Jayne has some awesome stuff, but not much to oogle at on their website as far as "available" snakes go, I saw their BPs at an expo a couple years ago, nice.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Curious as to why you don't want to deal with spiders.

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Meh, pretty much the standard reason, I just don't think I'd be comfortable having a snake like that.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Black Pewter

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ULIET_WM_1.jpg

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Ooh, that one looks nice. I had been looking on the World of Ball Pythons morph list and saw some of these that stay black and some that are brown o.O The greyer/blacker ones look nicer to me, but I bet they cost more ^^;

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Originally Posted by BPro927

check out worldofballpythons.com they show all 1100+ morphs and 1000 of them have pictures. you should be able to see which one you want. then google search or ask on here for a breeder. these people are great and will help you!

:-)
~Brian

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Yea, that site is awesome, been doing most if my research for image references between that site and google :D I've been using the CRBE vendors list to check out some [Canadian] breeders that have websites as well. Not sure if I should be asking around for breeders just yet, I think I should have an enclosure ready for it/them first :p

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Originally Posted by angllady2

Ok, so lack of yellow is one of your things. Hmmmm, That really limits your choices in your price range.

Cinnamons can be outstanding, and are reasonably priced. Black Pastel are similar, and priced about the same. If you have no intention of breeding then Axanthic is out of the question, because you are extremely unlikely to find a visual in your price range.

You can find what are known as IMG balls, these have increased melanin, and are quite dark in some cases.

Have you looked into Pinstripes? They can be quite attractive, and one with a busy pattern should be close to what you had in mind. And within your budget. How about Mojaves ? They can be beautiful and are affordable.

You are correct in thinking taxes/customs and such will almost certainly put any ball purchased in the states in the same price range as one you find there.

Gale

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o.O What is an IMG BP? *goes to google* They seem to be random, not really a morph... How would you know you have one? XD
To be honest at first glance most Mojaves look kinda Normal to me ^^; Pinstripes aren't too exciting for me either, lol.
Stupid Taxes and customs and ...bleh. Well looks like I'm stuck with whatever finds it's way up here in Canada then, I'll just have to keep looking.

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Originally Posted by Jessicat

.Meh, pretty much the standard reason, I just don't think I'd be comfortable having a snake like that.
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What's there not to be comfortable with?

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Originally Posted by Rob

What's there not to be comfortable with?

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Ehh, I just think it'd be difficult to tell if it had any [other] health problems since they're shaky and act different than a regular ball python I guess. And the last thing I need is for a a snake like that to drown in its water bowl or something because it fell in and couldn't flip itself back over [<-- exaggerated example, but yea]. I've read about them and they look nice in photos but I've seen some videos and the wobbling/spinning/flipping is kinda weird, I just don't like it is all ._.