Panda Pieds, How to breed for them?

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Originally Posted by snake lab

The panda pied is not a cinnamon. Those ar called cinnamon pieds. The panda pied is a super black pastel pied. Only one has been produced and the odds gods are against you in that project. The only line that produced the panda was from outback. I believe and this is my personal oppinion is that because outbacks black pastel line is the blackest this has something to do with it. Its a project worth dinking with but i wouldnt mortgage the house to get into it.

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Well, tell WOBPs that.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...cinnamon-pied/

There's even a "How To" Panda Pied video on youtube that has Cinnamon as the ingredient.

It's super black pastel pied. As far as I know the genetics are very clear cut and there is no cinnamon involved. It's two black pastel genes and a pied gene. Plain and simple.

World of ball python has panda pied listed as super black pastel pied. Why not give ian a shout at outback and ask him. Afterall hes the one that produced it and named it. Look up panda pied on wobb. It says super black pastel pied.

I know the existing panda is a super black pastel pied. But since a black pastel and cinny are compatible to make a super, can't one say they can use both to make a panda? (theoretically saying)

They can't list the cinny in the ingredients on wobp because it hasn't been used yet.

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Originally Posted by AlbertaBP

I think thats the next project I would like to start on.

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What is your current project?

No because they produce 2 different looking supers. As they are close that would be like saying an ivory and a lucy are the same cause they are all white. If it was the case then the cinny and black would be the same morph and they are not. Now i know people will argue that some super cinnies are jet black. The fact is that outback produced it with a super black pastel therefore thats the ingredients.

I am not saying the Plack Pastel don't make Panda pieds. I am saying that the Cinnamon version is also called Panda Pied. Go to the link I sent and its AKA is "Panda Pied."

I'll double check the youtube vid when I get home and link it if it's what I remember.

Yea i saw where it says aka panda pied. Thats incorrect. The one and only panda pied produced by ian was a superblack pastel pied. A cinny pied which is close looking isnt as jet black. Super cinnies wash out over time more then super blacks. In most cases. Evenbthe blackest of super cinnies still have that brownish sheen on them.

I'm currently working on this project (and so many more) and here is how I'm doing it:

I purchased a yearling black pastel female het pied.
I am going to breed her when she is ready to my piebald male in hopes for a black pastel pied male.
In six months, when that male is ready, he is breeding back to her for a panda pied. (the odds of getting a panda pied in this pairing is 1 in 8, which is a lot better than 1 in 16)

Voila!!

Yes on paper those are the odds. The truth of the matter on that project is the odds gods are drastically against you. But good luck.