Evil baby ball python?

awwww, he will calm down after he settles in. Jackson was the same way, evil but now I can hold him and i'm not afraid.

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Originally Posted by snakemomma77

awwww, he will calm down after he settles in. Jackson was the same way, evil but now I can hold him and i'm not afraid.

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That is the other thing, If you are afraid he will know !!!

I am not an expert, But Domination is not a way to train, consistency is !

When you train a dog do you do it by dominance ?? or by consistency ??

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Watch the whole video i you want or just skip the part with the crazy deserts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7DQs...e_gdata_player

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This one is a very good video. I just wish it would work with my 3 foot boa. whom I have allowed to settle in but has never calmed down. I can handle her but no one else unless I no they are experienced I will allow because after a few minutes of hold time she will start to freak out again and will bite. I just continue to hold with a firm grip until she is calm again then I let her go back in her tub. I may post a video of me handling her and getting her out of her cage.

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Originally Posted by ExotixTowing

I am not an expert, But Domination is not a way to train, consistency is !

When you train a dog do you do it by dominance ?? or by consistency ??

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Ball Pythons aren't even close to same cognitive level as dogs. It's an apple and oranges comparison.

What you see in that video isn't domination.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Ball Pythons aren't even close to same cognitive level as dogs. It's an apple and oranges comparison.

What you see in that video isn't domination.

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It's the way he explains it.. "Domination"

it's a term I don't agree with.. He aggressively handled the snake not dominantly handled

if put the other way it sounds better ;)

Lolllll at those baby desert balls in that video. The video actually really helped though. I tried out the dominance thing and cupped him in my hands completely. After a couple times of that he was calmer I guess and I let him crawl around in my hands. He even let me touch his head. I put him back in his enclosure and went out for a couple hours and when I came back I went to get him out of his hide box and instead of striking he just balled up. I got him out easy and after holding him a bit he let me touch his head without doing the dominance thing again (haha it's like a trust test). Anyways he WAS just chilling on my wrist while I wrote this (on my itouch which he struck at last night when i was using it) but tried to slither off and freaked out so I cupped him again. I hope this lasts :).

Also as a side note as some people said to let them sit in their enclosures for a week w/ no touch I disagree with. I'm no expert but I don't think you should unsocialize them for so long. I think you should introduce yourself at least everyday when you first get them so they get to know you. Just seems like common sense.

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Originally Posted by Nuttybuttercup

Also as a side note as some people said to let them sit in their enclosures for a week w/ no touch I disagree with. I'm no expert but I don't think you should unsocialize them for so long. I think you should introduce yourself at least everyday when you first get them so they get to know you. Just seems like common sense.

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This isn't the case, they are solitary creatures and many (but not all) will have feeding issues if you don't let them settle in. As was stated previously in this thread balls that come from breeders have been in a tub with little to no interaction, and they don't have any issues warming up to their new owners... in fact most people would say that they have a better disposition. I rarely handle every one of my snakes every week and none of them have any "unsocialization" issues. They prefer to be on their own and will tolerate it when I handle them.

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Originally Posted by Nuttybuttercup

Also as a side note as some people said to let them sit in their enclosures for a week w/ no touch I disagree with. I'm no expert but I don't think you should unsocialize them for so long. I think you should introduce yourself at least everyday when you first get them so they get to know you. Just seems like common sense.

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I haven`t had my guys out for a week, aside from feeding... they were both fine when I took them out, While nobody is an expert on this subject you should always give your snake ample time to adjust. My normal was used to being handled (By Me) at the pet store, so he had a shorter set in time, my lesser went a week and a bit before being handles, and they now get 10 minutes when I have time, but working 12 hour shifts leave little to no time for 7 days !!

I am sure with my normal, he could be taken out of his tank now after eating 8 hours ago and be fine...

Although I attribute this to being fed in an external tank, I wouldn`t do this

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Originally Posted by ExotixTowing

It's the way he explains it.. "Domination"

it's a term I don't agree with.. He aggressively handled the snake not dominantly handled

if put the other way it sounds better ;)

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Domination was the term he used, yes, but he used it incorrectly. He didn 't dominate so much as modify behavior. What he did was take the snake from one mode, and put it in another. He, unlike so many, understands that snakes do not think at a higher level. They exist in modes...Fight mode, flight mode, hunting mode, feeding mode, breeding mode, sleeping mode, tolerating handling mode, etc.

He introduced a stimuli to change the snakes mode. No different than when you present a prey item to your snake. You introduce a rat to put the snake in feeding mode.

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Originally Posted by Nuttybuttercup

Also as a side note as some people said to let them sit in their enclosures for a week w/ no touch I disagree with. I'm no expert but I don't think you should unsocialize them for so long. I think you should introduce yourself at least everyday when you first get them so they get to know you. Just seems like common sense.

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This is a case of your inexperience coming through. You are not socializing your snake no matter how much you handle it. They are not like dogs. They have brains the size of a black eyed pea. They do not think at higer levels, and do not socialize. They tolerate handling, some more than others. They get used to handling, some more than others, but they do not socialize. They do not seek out our presence.

You are asking for a stressed out snake with feeding issues. I'm starting to understand why it was so freaked out in the first place.