Need some help and advise asap plzplzplzplz!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JohnyB

oh wow!! i love discovering a new community!!
this is just like two years ago when i started car modifications.. had to be a noobie in the threads. ty for your help!

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no problem, if you ever have any questions feel free to ask

Hey, welcome to bp.net, as you see we here are all very willing to help with questions and concers. First, its IMO going to be a pian in the rear to get husbandry perfect in a 100gal glass tank. You may want to skip the tanks all together (after quarentine) and either buy or build a 4-5 tub rack... I've just built my rack and put my bpsin tubs and its so much easier to keep temps and humidity right it also helps with perfect sheds and other health issues... Good luck and again, welcome:salute:

Hi John,

Welcome to bp.net!! You picked the best place to learn how to properly care for your bp's.

Please read thru the care sheet to get your tanks set up properly - your snakes health relies on their temps, humidity, security being provided properly.

I second the recommendation of getting a rack - I started with a 30 gallon tank and quickly realized what a hard time it was to regulated - I now keep all mine in racks.

Best of luck to you as you learn all about bp husbandry.

Here's my general answer for questions like this...which are sadly common.
Cohabitating reptiles even as the same species is not recommended. Insead of just telling you "no" I'll list the common reasons why.
1) Cannibalism, not common, but there are DOCUMENTED cases. This alone isn't worth the risk.
2) Stress. Even the most friendly snakes get stressed out, so why cause the stress? Snakes have no want or need to be with another snake unless it's for breeding purposes. Other than that, it's just an unwanted roommate that they can't get away from.
3) Space. They will constantly try to dominate eachother for the best spots in the enclosure, even if you have multiple hides, you'll mainly see them together in one spot. People usually see this as "cuddling". It's not cuddling, they are fighting over the best spot.
4) You wake up in the morning after feeding and there's a regurgitated mouse. Which one did it?
5) One gets sick, now both are sick. That's 2X the vet bills, 2X the medications, and 2X the stress.
6) You are told the new snake you bought is the same sex as the one you already have. a year later, you find eggs in the enclosure. You have not prepared, no incubator, no space for babies, and no one to sell them to. What do you do now? The pet store/vet/person sexed them wrong.
7) Quarantine. How are you going to quarantine the new snake away from your original one? As you gain more experience, you'll find that quarantine is a NECESSITY. You could get a perfectly healthy snake, or one covered in mite eggs that hatch 3 days after you bring it home. Now both snakes have mites. Snakes also can take a long time to start showing symptoms of illness, now you got your original snake sick because you didn't quarantine.

Those are just the more known and common issues with housing multiple reptiles. The list goes on. The only pro to housing them together is to save space in your house by only having one enclosure, but is it worth it? That is up to you.

Oh, and welcome to the forum, we all start somewhere :)

wow thats great advise thank you so much..that kind of stuff never would have occurred to me =/.
the 100 gallon i do find to keep just right and it did take alot of trying things out to get it the way i like.
but i can safely say the temp will always we high 80s-mid low 90s and humidity of 50 or better.


so i will switch tanks today and have the adult move to the 100 gall.. but is it safe to have them out together? Or should i avoid this as well?

make sure you have thermostats to regulate the temperatures.been alot of posts about burns lately.it isnt a good idea to have them anywhere nere each other since they are both new animals.u dont want one passing any parasites or diseases to the other.gl with your new babys

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Originally Posted by JohnyB

wow thats great advise thank you so much..that kind of stuff never would have occurred to me =/.
the 100 gallon i do find to keep just right and it did take alot of trying things out to get it the way i like.
but i can safely say the temp will always we high 80s-mid low 90s and humidity of 50 or better.


so i will switch tanks today and have the adult move to the 100 gall.. but is it safe to have them out together? Or should i avoid this as well?

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Right now i would say its a bad idea but once theyre sepreated for approx 3 months or so then taking them out together isnt a problem. As long as theyre both healthy: no mites, RIs etc...

I don't have BPs but I read this thread anyways.
I want to welcome you and THANK YOU for being open minded and listening to people who know what they're talking about! You are going to be a great snake keeper if you keep learning! :gj:

You can have them out at the same time, but I will warn you, keeping an eye on two active snakes is not an easy thing to do.

I am very glad you are willing to make some changes for the health of your snakes. Sometimes we come across as kind of stuck-up or know-it-all's, but we don't mean to. We see a lot of people here who go about things badly, then when something bad happens they come here in a panic, but don't want to be told what they are doing wrong and try to fix it.

We always mean the best for you and your animals, even if it isn't what you want to hear. I know when I first came here, I thought I was doing a good job with my snakes. It was hard to hear I had pretty much everything wrong. At first I was pretty adamant my snakes were different, and I didn't need to change all these things. I was however, very wrong. After about 3 years of doing things my way and being smug about proving the people here wrong, my snakes went downhill fast. I tried too little too late to help things, but ended up admitting I was over my head.

I scrapped everything I had up until then, which included huge glass tanks and heat lamps, and two very aggressive, very large ball pythons and starting over. Now, I follow the wonderful advise and instructions I get here. I have 25 ball pythons now, all are happy and healthy, gentle and enjoyable, and I'm even going to have baby pythons of my own this year.

Anyway, the point of my ramble is, we really do mean the best for you and your animals, and we hope you take our well meant advise as such.

Gale

Yup, as other have said, they should never be together. And both tanks are large. Your little one would do fine in a 20. And your big guy should be ok in the 30. 100 way too big for either. Make sure you have lots of hides for the little guy to feel secure if he has to be in a bigger tank. Also should read up on qt. You wouldn't want them both sick if you can help it.