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  • 04-02-2005, 05:57 PM
    Reptidude
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    I would have to agree to the last part of what you said. :)
    I have a fear of the mouse bitting my snake, so I have not tried. I understand were your comming from though, so Ill except you opinion. And I wish you would except mine. thanks
  • 04-02-2005, 06:04 PM
    Kiran
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    I agree with Mike...I would try to stay away from feeding live mice if at all possible. (That's just a personal preference). When I first fed mine I fed her a f/t mouse and she seemed a little nervous about it. I just set it down near her and left her alone to do her thing. After about 10 minutes she ate with no problems. Just keep trying...you'll get it! :)
  • 04-02-2005, 09:16 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reptidude
    I would have to agree to the last part of what you said. :)
    I have a fear of the mouse bitting my snake, so I have not tried. I understand were your comming from though, so Ill except you opinion. And I wish you would except mine. thanks

    of course i except your opinion. :) I feed f/t just for the fact that I do not care to worry about the ''what ifs''. I know of a bunch of people that feed live and some that have to because of snakes preference. So I try to avoid putting feeding live down and direct people to make sure they are doing it properly. I just dont like it when someone labels live feeding as WRONG or DANGEROUS. If someone asks for help with feeding trouble, just suggest that they try f/t....dont tell them feeding live is "inhumain and its also crude''. To me that would be like calling someone an idiot for feeding f/t. Like I said before anyway you feed can be dangerous, but if you do it like you are supposed to there should be nothing to worry about. enough of all this...personal preference thats just it. I have seen too many f/t vs. live debates to keep continuing this....ha
  • 04-02-2005, 09:56 PM
    Reptidude
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    Eplain how F/T could be dangerous and in some cases live wont be dangerous?
  • 04-02-2005, 10:26 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    f/t can be very dangerous if the rodent is not properly thawed. Sometimes altough the external parts of the rodent may be nice and warm, the internal parts can still be frozen. This is more likely the larger the prey item. The partially frozen rodent will rot in the gut of the bp and can lead to death. This can also happen if the rodent is left out too long. it is a good idea to always fell(i give a slight squeeze) each rodent with your hand to check that everything is defrosted properly. Also, you can usually tell when a rodent has been out too long by the smell but I try to limit letting the rodent sit out longer than 1 hour.

    Live feeding is not dangerous if done properly. Becky already covered alot of why bad things happen in her post. Feeding live is not like feeding f/t. You cant just drop the mouse in and leave. The behavior of the mouse and the behavior of the bp can tell you if something is about to go wrong. the owner just has to pay attention. The risk of injury does increase with larger prey items but it should still be ok. a breeder that posts on this site feeds over 200 ball pythons with values ranging well over several thousands of dollars live rodents. He knows how to properly feed so there is no problem. no injuries at all. no way would a good keeper let harm come to their bps. Problems happen when people do not know what they are doing or just dont care.

    i try encourage others not to bad mouth live feeding....but if you hear someone say that they just throw a live rodent in their bps enclosure and leave...then tell them that is not the proper way to do it...and their bp can get injured. if they prefer not to feed live properly...tell them to change over to f/t.
  • 04-02-2005, 10:50 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reptidude
    Feading live mice is inhumain and its also crude.

    It's also crude to pre-judge people based on something that you obviously have no experience with.

    Experienced keepers have been feeding snakes live prey since way before you were born and continue to do so to this day.

    As long as a keeper is providing his or her snake with it's basic needs and the snake is healthy and thriving, does live/frozen/pre-killed even matter?

    Maybe instead of being so quick to judge and condemn the choices that others make, you could have a little bit more of an open mind and offer your help to people that need it even if their choice is different from your own ... now that would be a good thing would it not?

    -adam
  • 04-03-2005, 12:59 AM
    Reptidude
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    But both of you cannot say that feeding live mice is less dangerous. That is my point. Its better to go with the choice that is more safe, in this case F/T or pre-killed. If it isnt all the way thawed, then more than likely it will be regurgitated. Someone must be really stupid not knowing how to thaw a mouse. Now feeding live is way diffrent, even the experts have problems. First of all, leaving the mouse in there. Second, the snake misses when it strikes and the mouse bits the pythons eyes. Third, the snake grabs the mouse the wrong way and the mouse is still able to bit. Hmmmmmm, the solution is real obvious or im just dumb. 3 problems vs one problem....... F/T wins again...

    You can keep going all day. I can come up with more reasons why not to feed live, then you can why to feed live. Go ahead, make my day... ;)

    Oh and another thing. Pre-judging... I can pre-judge anything and not have to experience. I can tell you that walking on a tight-line across two buildings is dangerous even though I have never "experienced" it. Or I can say that guns can cause fatil injuries, and not have to experience. Its the same analogies man...
  • 04-03-2005, 01:11 AM
    mlededee
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    reptidude, please read up on the f/t, p/k vs. live argument in past threads. everyone is entitled to do what they feel works best for them in this situation. please do not be the cause of another heated thread on this subject.
  • 04-03-2005, 01:13 AM
    Nate
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
    It's also crude to pre-judge people based on something that you obviously have no experience with.

    Experienced keepers have been feeding snakes live prey since way before you were born and continue to do so to this day.

    As long as a keeper is providing his or her snake with it's basic needs and the snake is healthy and thriving, does live/frozen/pre-killed even matter?

    Maybe instead of being so quick to judge and condemn the choices that others make, you could have a little bit more of an open mind and offer your help to people that need it even if their choice is different from your own ... now that would be a good thing would it not?

    -adam

    I was wondering when you were going to jump in to this converstion Adam.

    Adam feeds 200+ snakes live prey. he's a pro...and never had a problem. I have 3 snakes which i feed live. never had a problem. Feeding live is as natural as it gets. God doesn't come down and break a rat's neck and then dangle it in front of the snake. if it was..."dangerous"....snakes wouldn't exist...all the rats would have killed them.
  • 04-03-2005, 01:36 AM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Annie's STILL not eating :'(
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reptidude
    Now feeding live is way diffrent, even the experts have problems.

    I know several people with 1000+ ball pythons in their collections and they all feed live and don't have problems. Who are the "experts" that you know that have problems?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reptidude
    You can keep going all day. I can come up with more reasons why not to feed live, then you can why to feed live. Go ahead, make my day... ;)?

    Why do you feel the need to be so hostile? This isn't a contest, it's a discussion. Throwing down challenges is no way to make friends around here.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reptidude
    Oh and another thing. Pre-judging... I can pre-judge anything and not have to experience. I can tell you that walking on a tight-line across two buildings is dangerous even though I have never "experienced" it. Or I can say that guns can cause fatil injuries, and not have to experience. Its the same analogies man...

    Yes, but do you call the people that walk "tight-lines" across two buildings names like "crude" ... how about gun owners, are they inhumane? You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but at least have to maturity to realize that not everyone in this world does things the same way you do, or makes the same choices as you. Just because someone is different, there's certainly no reason to call them or the things that they do names. That general attitude is the prejudice I was referring to.

    Just because you don't feel that you are competent or experienced enough to safely feed your snakes live prey doesn't mean that others aren't as well.

    -adam
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