Question about Baytril Dosing

Im starting to think that no one reads these posts fully. Ive already stated that I am only treating those with symptoms.

But thank you for taking the time to reply to my post I still appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

injecting as in shots?

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injecting as in with needles yes.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I asked the vet about that since she did not do a culture. The vet I went to is the only exotic vet in the area (Almost an hour from me) and comes highly recommended by my local zoo.

the vet I went to has two DVM's that have a combined experience with exotic pets of 28 years and they have posted several medical journals in relation to treating snakes. My vet stated that if the snakes have not been on Batryl before then they should be fine.

I will have to check on the dosage though.



If you read my post I did take my snakes to the vet. However, its not feasible for me to take in 32 snakes. I know how to give baytril injections I simply was not sure on the dosing.

Since my vet did the doses for the 4 I took in I was trying to correctly dose the others. I appreciate your concern but Im sure my vet has more experience and the proper qualifications.

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You say here its not feasable to take 32 snakes. Thats what i was commenting on. If you dont have 32 sick snakes then why would you be worried about 32 snakes? Antibiotics should never be used as a preventative step for anything.

Sorry I thought when you talked about treating the others you meant the four you took had symptoms and she gave you meds to treat the others .

I'm currently treating a ~500g rescue w/ .02-.03cc of Baytril.
But I was told to dose every 5 days.

The dosage calculation should be:

dose x weight
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concentration

You stated that the Baytril is 100mg/ml.

I.E) 1000 grams = 1 kilogram @ 10 mg/kg dosage

10 mg/kg x 1 kg
--------------------------- = 0.1 cc or ml
100 mg/ml

500 grams =.5 kilogram @ 5 mg/kg dosage

5 mg/kg x .5 kg
--------------------------- = 0.025 cc or ml
100 mg/ml

Typically dosages range from 5-10 (or more) mg/kg depending on how severe the RI is. If it's a minor case, I would go w/ the lower dose. If its a more severe case, then I would use the higher dose.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

The vet I went to also is an exotics vet. They see everything from rats to snakes to sugar gliders etc. I am familiar with baytril and I trust my vet so I will go by what she says, and no all 32 snakes do not have RI, im sure but I am simply treating the room which my vet said will not be a problem because last time I checked taking 32 snakes to the vet can put a dent in anyone's pocket book. I am only treating those who show signs of an RI. however I needed to know the correct dosing.

lets see 4 snakes cost me $420 so if I took all 32 snakes that would be $3360 and I doubt most people have that to spend. I am familiar with injections was simply looking for correct dosage which I have acquired now thanks to a poster who actually read my post and gave me the information I needed instead of barraging my vet.

So thank you all for your comments.

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See you said you were treating the room. Then explained that she gave you the extra to treat the room.

Oh yeah,

My calculations using 5mg/kg dose matches what your vet calculated.

2171G = .11
1505G = .05
249G = .01
473G = .02

The only one that is different was the 1505g snake. I got .07 for that one. I don't know if she did that on purpose or made a mistake in her calculations. But the rest all match.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I asked the vet about that since she did not do a culture. The vet I went to is the only exotic vet in the area (Almost an hour from me) and comes highly recommended by my local zoo.

the vet I went to has two DVM's that have a combined experience with exotic pets of 28 years and they have posted several medical journals in relation to treating snakes. My vet stated that if the snakes have not been on Batryl before then they should be fine.

I will have to check on the dosage though.



If you read my post I did take my snakes to the vet. However, its not feasible for me to take in 32 snakes. I know how to give baytril injections I simply was not sure on the dosing.

Since my vet did the doses for the 4 I took in I was trying to correctly dose the others. I appreciate your concern but Im sure my vet has more experience and the proper qualifications.

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Personally, I would not dose an antibiotic without a culture. The sensitivity has nothing to do with whether or not the animal has been dosed with the antibiotic prior, but whether the strain of bacteria is susceptible to the antibiotic.

There are several people on this forum whose genius vets have stormed ahead and prescribed baytril without taking a culture and their animals have had to go back for multiple rounds of treatment with different antibiotics to resolve the infection. Due to the blatant overuse of baytril in the exotic vet community, more and more strains of bacteria are developing a resistance to it.

So it's great that your vet has been published and it's great that she's been practicing for 28 years, but I can tell you that the two outstanding herp vets in my area (one who is a professor at UCD) would not prescribe any antibiotic for an RI without doing a culture.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Personally, I would not dose an antibiotic without a culture. The sensitivity has nothing to do with whether or not the animal has been dosed with the antibiotic prior, but whether the strain of bacteria is susceptible to the antibiotic.

There are several people on this forum whose genius vets have stormed ahead and prescribed baytril without taking a culture and their animals have had to go back for multiple rounds of treatment with different antibiotics to resolve the infection. Due to the blatant overuse of baytril in the exotic vet community, more and more strains of bacteria are developing a resistance to it.

So it's great that your vet has been published and it's great that she's been practicing for 28 years, but I can tell you that the two outstanding herp vets in my area (one who is a professor at UCD) would not prescribe any antibiotic for an RI without doing a culture.

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Hey Skiploder!
Who's your vet at UCD?
I intern in the VMTH.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Personally, I would not dose an antibiotic without a culture. The sensitivity has nothing to do with whether or not the animal has been dosed with the antibiotic prior, but whether the strain of bacteria is susceptible to the antibiotic.

There are several people on this forum whose genius vets have stormed ahead and prescribed baytril without taking a culture and their animals have had to go back for multiple rounds of treatment with different antibiotics to resolve the infection. Due to the blatant overuse of baytril in the exotic vet community, more and more strains of bacteria are developing a resistance to it.

So it's great that your vet has been published and it's great that she's been practicing for 28 years, but I can tell you that the two outstanding herp vets in my area (one who is a professor at UCD) would not prescribe any antibiotic for an RI without doing a culture.

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You should ALWAYS have cultures done first... 5 months later after treating 3 snakes, the orignal will most likely die, the two others it got sick are nearly cleared up.. Expenses.. A little over $3000 and rough calcs... close to 150 needles...

You can have the best vet in the world... BUT not getting a culture done in the worst flaw...I learned that personally after letting my vet push me to what she wanted...