How much does a piebald cost?

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Originally Posted by Kinra

You get 50% hets, meaning it's 50/50 weather an individual normal looking snake from the pairing is het pied.

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And what about a het pied with a normal female?

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Originally Posted by Blandini

I don't know :confused:

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What did you buy them as? Just hets?

The 100%, 66%, and 50% refers to the chance that a snake that is labeled as het is actually het for that gene.

If a snake actually has the gene then it has a 50% chance in passing the gene on.

So if both actually do carry the gene, then each egg in the clutch has a 25% chance of being a visual pied.

The price of morphs changes each year as more and more are produced. Visual piebalds will go for somewhere around $500 next year, but if you don't have a good reputation built up you might have to settle for less.

Any snake from this clutch that is not a visual piebald will be considered 66% het piebald. They will sell for $50-$75 most likely.

Also you can go to this website to see snakes for sale and get a general idea of the going prices but remember that most of the people selling snakes here are professional breeders so they are going to get more money out of their snakes than you as a first time breeder would.

http://market.kingsnake.com/index.php?cat=32

this website will help you determine genetic possibilities
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

and this one will help you understand genetics
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/

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Originally Posted by Kinra

No one can say for sure what the market will be this year or next year. It changes drastically.

Being 2-3 years out from breeding means they are just babies and it will take you 2-3 years to get them up to adult size so they can breed.

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But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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Originally Posted by Blandini

And what about a het pied with a normal female?

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you would get half normals and half het pied's which means all of the snakes would look normal but have a 50% chance of being het pied so they would ALL be considered 50% het pied (meaning there is a 50% chance they carry the gene). Once those snakes are bred, it will show whether or not they are het pied so all of the guesswork goes out and each snake is labeled as either 100% het pied or just a normal.... make sense??

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Originally Posted by Blandini

But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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Some will some will not, but you can't tell the difference between the ones that are het, and the ones that are not. This is where the 100%, 66%, and 50% comes into play and why it is so important.

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Originally Posted by Blandini

But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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2/3 of the "normal" babies would carry the gene 1/3 would be completely normal and not carry the gene. So all the the babies would be considered 66% het until proven otherwise

I'm not really following you on your plans... you have het pieds correct?? but you are selling them?? cuz you have been asking about the selling prices of pieds not het pieds and there is a big difference. why do you want to know the prices?? are you planning on buying a pied??

No, he's breeding the het pieds and is only looking for a rough idea of what pieds will be worth by time he's able to sell them if they hatch out.

So the theoretical scenario here is that if het to het breeding resulted in 4 eggs, 1 will be a pied, 2 will be normals het pied, 1 will be normal...so the normals will be 66% het. Of course this is all theoretical statistics, so the result could be 4 pieds, it could be 4 normals.

Please just read this thread.. Every reply, since each one of us puts it in a different way so that no matter how your brain works you should understand the het thing..

This one uses albino as an example but it doesn't matter. The same rules apply to ALL recessive morphs. Albino, Pied, Clown, Caramel, Genetic Stripe, Axanthic, etc....

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164274

By the way... If you didn't buy your snakes from a reputable breeder who said they were 100% het pied, then I would not believe that they are 100% het pied. They could be 66% possible het or 50% possible het which means only breeding them and producing a visual pied baby would prove them as being 100%.

You will not produce hets with them though. Only 66% possible hets (if they are in fact 100% hets their selves) which then will need to be sold as 66% possible hets because they must be bred and proven.

Anyway.. Read that other thread so you'll understand the genetics of recessives..