wobble

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Originally Posted by Adam Chandler

Opps, my bad. I posted from my iPad so youtube gave the mobile URL.

Here is the video I tried to post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlX58vxt0AU

Almost all BP's with the Spider gene wobble to some degree. I don't feel bad for them because I really don't think it causes them any discomfort.

With BP's if anything is bothering them they immediately stop eating. All of my Spider morphs, even the wobblers, eat well.

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That one is bad to... I'm getting a spider come March (if out money doesn't get ate up by bad luck.. -_-;) And this worries me.... I love my snakes BUT this whole things makes me feel bad.. I know most of them are okay but some.. it just seems like they have IBD

Those wobbles are so sad. =(

I'm going to jump on my soap box for a moment... Why do people continue to breed these animals?!?!? So what if it doesn't seem to "bother" them! That is not "normal" and I feel horrible for these snakes. :mad: :tears:

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Originally Posted by WifeOfSlasher

I'm going to jump on my soap box for a moment... Why do people continue to breed these animals?!?!? So what if it doesn't seem to "bother" them! That is not "normal" and I feel horrible for these snakes. :mad: :tears:

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So...even though the animals are happy and healthy they shouldn't be bred since they sometimes move their head in a strange way?

Well, if that is your opinion than that's fine.

However I will continue to include the Spider gene in my breeding projects.

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Originally Posted by AmysAnimals

What does it mean when a snake has "Wobble?" I saw someone post a snake in the Ball Python classifieds on Facebook and it says it has wobble. Just wondering what it was. They are selling the snake, who I think is really pretty and should be sold for much more, for like $75 plus shipping...

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The snake you're speaking of is mine. He's a high white spider and priced at wholeale because I just dont need him and would like to move him. Retail I've seen them go for as much as $130 but I'd rather move him out to someone who could use him than wait a year to sell him. He has a mild to moderate wobble when he's stressed or unhappy. I feel as a breeder it is my responsibility to inform potential buyers of any traits, desireable or undesireable, when posting an animal up for sale.

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Originally Posted by MiamiRoyalPythons

The snake you're speaking of is mine. He's a high white spider and priced at wholeale because I just dont need him and would like to move him. Retail I've seen them go for as much as $130 but I'd rather move him out to someone who could use him than wait a year to sell him. He has a mild to moderate wobble when he's stressed or unhappy. I feel as a breeder it is my responsibility to inform potential buyers of any traits, desireable or undesireable, when posting an animal up for sale.

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I think he is gorgeous I am just afraid to purchase an animal that has something wrong with it such as the wobble. I hope you can find some one who is really serious about purchasing him. =) I understand the need to move him though.

I see nothing wrong with the spider gene/wobble. They all eat ( well atleast mine and many others I have heard say ) extremely well, better than most my other bps, they grow, the breed, they are like all my other bps in my racks, they just have a quirky trait of a funky head movement. Some wobbles are hardly noticeable, while there are those cases where it is extreme. But, from my understanding, they all eat, grow, breed all the same.

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Originally Posted by WifeOfSlasher

I'm going to jump on my soap box for a moment... Why do people continue to breed these animals?!?!? So what if it doesn't seem to "bother" them! That is not "normal" and I feel horrible for these snakes. :mad: :tears:

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The only real reason is lack of self control, or not caring whether they breed animals naturally or not.
Enigma leopard geckos have a similar problem. I am against breeding any animals with problems, no matter how minor. Altering the colors/patterns is enough. People don't need to be messing with how the animals' brains function.
I 'argued my point' against breeding animals with problems for 8+ pages on this forum. The weird thing is that it seems more apparent/obvious to the people that AREN'T into reptiles, not to breed animals with problems. The ones with 'years of experience' usually make excuses for breeding them because they like the pattern of the morph, even when they know it's wrong.

Some people go as far as to say that they are worried about getting one, but are getting one anyways.

There is absolutely nothing "wrong" with him. He is just a typical spider. With that gene most likely comes a wobble. It's not a horrible thing, its just part of the gene. Like how Golden Retreivers are prone to cancer and Bulldogs are prone to skin issues and obesity, Spiders are prone to wobble. They make some awesome morphs and 99.9% of them eat, drink, and shed just like any other ball.

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

The only real reason is lack of self control, or not caring whether they breed animals naturally or not.
Enigma leopard geckos have a similar problem. I am against breeding any animals with problems, no matter how minor. Altering the colors/patterns is enough. People don't need to be messing with how the animals' brains function.
I 'argued my point' against breeding animals with problems for 8+ pages on this forum. The weird thing is that it seems more apparent/obvious to the people that AREN'T into reptiles, not to breed animals with problems. The ones with 'years of experience' usually make excuses for breeding them because they like the pattern of the morph, even when they know it's wrong.

Some people go as far as to say that they are worried about getting one, but are getting one anyways.

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I'm not here to get into any argument or anything, but I think a few things you said here were a tad.......ignorant. Nuff said