Cinnamon/Black pastel ID needed

Both look like cinnies to me as well. One is a little darker than the other.

They both appear to be cinnies to be as well. The best way I have ever heard a black pastel described is a dirty cinnamon. They have the squiggly lines over the keyholes that make their pattern appear darker or dirty. Both your cinnamons have rather clear keyholes and no squiggly lines.

Yeh in the pic's of the black pastels, they have "eye brows" above the alien heads. They look like specs or dots inside the top of the alien heads. That is what I'm told is the dead give away.

1.0 black pastels
1.0 mojaves
1.0 spiders
1.1 pastels
0.1 lace black backs
0.1 normals

Thank you all. I'm glad to know they are what I thought they were in the first place. Now I can pair appropriately :)