Not good.

This discoloration of the urates is often a result of antibiotic treatment. Baytril is processed through the kidneys and excreted in urine as is ceftazidime.

I would assume that the vet would already know that...................?

I am glad to hear that someone else has experienced the same thing you are going through and is able to help :)

You are doing great with the snake. Keep it up and I'm sure in a few weeks you will notice a difference in her.

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This discoloration of the urates is often a result of antibiotic treatment. Baytril is processed through the kidneys and excreted in urine as is ceftazidime.

I would assume that the vet would already know that...................?

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I see your point. I was expecting some sort of change in the urates, but the most concerning thing was the texture. The crystals in the urates was what worried the vet the most. It looked like it was painful to pass.:(

The vet that I'm seeing was recommended to me by the local herp society, and no one has had any complaints about her.

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I see your point. I was expecting some sort of change in the urates, but the most concerning thing was the texture. The crystals in the urates was what worried the vet the most. It looked like it was painful to pass.:(

The vet that I'm seeing was recommended to me by the local herp society, and no one has had any complaints about her.

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I'd ask the vet if it makes sense that since not only are both antibiotics processed through the kidneys, but one, maybe both can exacerbate dehydration.

I'm not sure how effective soaking a snake is to relieve dehydration and since soaking is a fairly stressful experience I'd want to make sure there was some benefit before I subjected my animal to it. Some reptiles like chelonians can take in water through the cloaca - I am unsure as to whether or not snakes can do the same. In other words there may be little benefit in tems of addressing dehydration.

If the vet is worried about dehydration, maybe he/she should look into giving them directly into the body cavity via injection................

Good to hear youre getting some help from people here. Its always slightly assuring when someone else has encountered the same problems as you and survived. Best of luck to you and your snake! Let us know how it goes.

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I'd ask the vet if it makes sense that since not only are both antibiotics processed through the kidneys, but one, maybe both can exacerbate dehydration.

I'm not sure how effective soaking a snake is to relieve dehydration and since soaking is a fairly stressful experience I'd want to make sure there was some benefit before I subjected my animal to it. Some reptiles like chelonians can take in water through the cloaca - I am unsure as to whether or not snakes can do the same. In other words there may be little benefit in tems of addressing dehydration.

If the vet is worried about dehydration, maybe he/she should look into giving them directly into the body cavity via injection................

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My BP is only being given one antibiotic. The vet was looking into giving her injections for the dehydration but decided that I should continue soaking her, as it was helping and would be less stressful than injections. However, if the dehydration continues for an extended period of time fluids may be given at the vets office.

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I am glad to hear that someone else has experienced the same thing you are going through and is able to help

You are doing great with the snake. Keep it up and I'm sure in a few weeks you will notice a difference in her.

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Thank you. :) I think she will get better, and I hope it's soon.

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Good to hear youre getting some help from people here. Its always slightly assuring when someone else has encountered the same problems as you and survived. Best of luck to you and your snake! Let us know how it goes.

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It sure is! I'll keep you guys updated on her for sure. :)

:please: Blessed are you, Lord God, maker of all living creatures. You called forth fish in the sea, birds in the air and animals on the land. You inspired St. Francis to call all of them his brothers and sisters. We ask you to bless this pet. By the power of your love, enable it to live according to your plan. May we always praise you for all your beauty in creation. Blessed are you, Lord our God, in all your creatures! Amen. :please:

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Yes, I forgot to mention that in my posts. She has been given 0.07 ml of ceftazidime via injection every 3 days. I have been soaking her daily , but she is still dehydrated. The water temp has been 80F for soaking, and soaking has lasted 1/2 hour per soak. Temps are slightly increased to 93 hot end and remain at 80 on cool end. Her feces were normal but her shed was in shreds. It all came off, just in shreds despite elevated humidity and soakings.

If you do an image search on kidney stones, that is what the outer coating on the urate looked like.

She has also been quarantined from my other animals when I first noticed symptoms on Nov 1.

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You don't happen to live in southern Illinois do you? Our vet face us the same exact medice for OUR pastel. Lol..odd. we were able to get rid of the mouth rot, but the RI we're not sure, he still has mocus and hides a lot. I really hope your snake is able to overcome this, and doesn't have any other problems. It hurts not being able to do anything And not knowing if your snake could die. I really do wish you the best of luck.

EDIT: whoops... didn't see you location...sorry!

Is your snake feeding still? Are you feeding F/T or P/K? If you are not having too many issues with feeding and are feeding dead rodents. You might give thought to either injecting water into the prey item or forcing some down the mouth of the prey (lungs or stomach makes no difference) I have done this with rescues. I have also found that soaking a snake does help a bit not massively but some. (after a soaking urinates had a bunch of liquid as well as solids.) certainly not a definitive answer just personal observations and far from scientific or documented. The stress issue is a big one hard to say I think it would come down to the individual animal.