Is the BP Market ready for another breeder?

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

Wow! I have heard of breeders doing this as well, but it still makes me sick. If you can't find respect for the normal BP's, then you are breeding for all thre wrong reasons.

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Agreed. I'd gladly take any female normals no matter, they will always be useful for breeding.

I dont know of any breeder freezing healthy animals at all. There is always a market for normal balls in the pet trade at pet stores etc. I usually wholesale my normals to local pet stores or sell them off on craigslist or in groups on ks. I think if your planning on breeding just to produce normals to try and make money then this may not be the hobby for you. There is a market for every morph out there. If your looking to get into it to make money then you have to work with animals that are worth money to begin with. I agree that if your gonna make claims you need to provide proof otherwise keep it to yourself cause noone is gonna agree with your claims on an online forum without proof. I understand not wanting to chuck anyone under the bus but you gotta keep it to yourself if your not willing to provide the proof. All the breeders i know love what they do and have more respect for the animals to just freeze healthy animals just to cull out the so called worthless animals. Im not saying it doesnt happen and if it is happenning and you know about it i wouldnt deal with that breeder cause hes obviouslly in it just for his own personal gain and doesnt care at all about his animals so that brings up the issue of if hes breeding quality or not.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

I dont know of any breeder freezing healthy animals at all. There is always a market for normal balls in the pet trade at pet stores etc. I usually wholesale my normals to local pet stores or sell them off on craigslist or in groups on ks. I think if your planning on breeding just to produce normals to try and make money then this may not be the hobby for you. There is a market for every morph out there. If your looking to get into it to make money then you have to work with animals that are worth money to begin with. I agree that if your gonna make claims you need to provide proof otherwise keep it to yourself cause noone is gonna agree with your claims on an online forum without proof. I understand not wanting to chuck anyone under the bus but you gotta keep it to yourself if your not willing to provide the proof. All the breeders i know love what they do and have more respect for the animals to just freeze healthy animals just to cull out the so called worthless animals. Im not saying it doesnt happen and if it is happenning and you know about it i wouldnt deal with that breeder cause hes obviouslly in it just for his own personal gain and doesnt care at all about his animals so that brings up the issue of if hes breeding quality or not.

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Good points. And in all fairness, most of the big breeders are working with such specific morphs, and visuals as well, that they probably don't have the large amounts of normals that a hobby breeder does. And those normals can always be sold as pets.

But again, not all breeders are on the up-and-up. It's similar to puppy mills giving good, reputable dog breeders an unfairly tarnished reputation.

It only takes a few bad breeders to screw things up for the good guys out there.

I don't personally know of anyone who freezes their normal babies. And I know a lot of folks in this industry. I either place normal males in pet homes or I wholesale them to a local pet store who sells them for $75 a pop. I have no problems selling my normal females or even my poss hets. The day my clown clutch hatched, all the poss het females sold to one buyer who contacted me immediately. I had three other inquiries on them on the same day.

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Originally Posted by JulieInNJ

Here's where I read first read about it.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ealthy-Animals

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That specific case while about culling healthy animals is a bit different, two very different world sort of speak when it comes to BP and Designer/Intergrade Carpets

Anyway still very wrong either way.


Now as far as BP, I don't think normals are worthless they are more often than not the very first snake new snake owners will acquire opening the door to a fascinating world and that to me is priceless.

There is a demand for normals hence all the imports, I never had any problem selling mine and as far as selling there are two options selling at retail price which might take a while especially if you do not do shows or wholesaling them.

To me when you breed you are responsible and if you can't afford to keep it should it not sell, you shouldn't produce it to start with.

Another breeder isn't going to affect the BP market, no matter what you think.

As for the breeder that you know that is freezing the normals, he is a sick twisted person and should not be breeding at all.

End of discussion.

I don't know any breeder that admits to freezing their healthy normals or hets.

I know what I do.

I sell them to petstores, I sell them at shows, or I give them to friends that can use them.

I know plenty of other breeders that do the same.

I have frozen animals that were not able to survive for whatever reason, and it is not a fun thing to do.

But the problem that I see is that even if just one person has admitted to doing it, that doesn't mean the entire industry does.

Take everything you hear on the internet and in gossip with a grain of salt.. Things can be misconstrued very quickly and spread like wildfire.

And know that no matter what happens, if you breed, you will not always get what you want. If you can't handle that, you need to revisit a few things within yourself and not blame the animals.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

And know that no matter what happens, if you breed, you will not always get what you want. If you can't handle that, you need to revisit a few things within yourself and not blame the animals.

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But... if you try sometimes you might find that you get what you need :D

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Originally Posted by CapeFearConstrictors

But... if you try sometimes you might find that you get what you need :D

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Awesome, lol!!!

I don't want to produce more normals but there are plenty of petstores that will buy them if I do. I get calls constantly for normals from local petshops. I don't know anyone freezing normal babies.