Need Help please

you can mix a pastel with pretty much anything that isnt recessive and it will turn out nice.
and now i have a question, if you breed a super pastel, with a pastel ghost, can you get a super pastel ghost? how likely is it?

i figured i'd ask here instead of my own thread

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Originally Posted by cmack91

you can mix a pastel with pretty much anything that isnt recessive and it will turn out nice.
and now i have a question, if you breed a super pastel, with a pastel ghost, can you get a super pastel ghost? how likely is it?

i figured i'd ask here instead of my own thread

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Ghost is recessive so no. If you breed a super pastel 100% het ghost to a pastel ghost you could get a super pastel ghost. Breeding 2 pastel ghosts could also result in a super pastel ghost, or any combination of hets/visuals.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

Ghost is recessive so no.

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:doh::stupidme::slamhead: wow, i dont know how i missed that lol, ive only been reading about morphs and genetics for a couple weeks straight :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by cmack91

:doh::stupidme::slamhead: wow, i dont know how i missed that lol, ive only been reading about morphs and genetics for a couple weeks straight :rolleye2:

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Lol.

All that we told you does show the genetics of both parents.

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Originally Posted by xSpeedxDemonx

not sure you understood what i was asking, i want to produce babies that show the gene's from both the parents, i have a super pastel and am wondering what other ball pythons i can breed with him to get nice designer balls

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Given the HUGE number of possibility how about this http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Chose super pastel and any mutation you can think of and you'll see the results.

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Originally Posted by xSpeedxDemonx

not sure you understood what i was asking, i want to produce babies that show the gene's from both the parents, i have a super pastel and am wondering what other ball pythons i can breed with him to get nice designer balls

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Just so you know, the reason folks didn't know what you were asking is that I think you're a bit confused on the genetics. An animal that expresses the genes from both parents isn't necessarily homozygous for one or both of them. A pastel spider (bumblebee), for example, is heterozygous for both pastel and spider, and not homozygous for any mutation genes.

I think the confusion comes from the fact that in recessive genes, a heterozygous animal does not visually express the trait; only a homozygous animal does. I think that many folks get confused on that and think that any visual morph animal must be homozygous, but for traits that we call "co-dominant" or "dominant" this isn't the case.

Your super pastel male IS homozygous for pastel; every baby he sires will carry the pastel gene. Any "co-dominant" or "dominant" morph female you breed him to could potentially sire double-morph ("designer") mutations in the first generation. Any recessive morph female you breed him to will produce ALL pastels that are 100% heterozygous for the female's morph.

Hope that helps ...

Co-Dom genes are really cool to work with because if you have a super they will produces a visual heterozygous form. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this one and explain a bit more in detail on the genetics.

The Super pastel is basically the homozygous form of the pastel is holding two of the "Co-Dom" genes. Where as the pastel is basically a visual heterozygous form of the super pastel and only holds one of the "Co-Dom" genes.

So when the super pastel breeds with a normal (or any other morph) it will pass the pastel genes to each of the offspring allowing the offspring to technically be a visual het for super pastel and show the pastel colorings.

As where a pastel breeds with a normal (or any other morph) it has about a 50% change of being a pastel and 50% chance of being a normal.

So if you cross a super pastel with a Super Enchi the full clutch should be Enchi Pastels. And on Nov 5th I have 4 eggs from a Super Enchi X Super Pastel crossing and I will let you know how that crossing worked out for me!

The best place to look at what you may get is a genetics wizard I like the one on world of ball pythons.

just my 2 cents...

Serpent_Nirvana beat me to it!