Warning to anyone dealing with (mohammad . Mutaionsonly)

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Originally Posted by smart1

i housed the new snakes in a rub rack with 3 of my others so they didnt come into direct contact and the 3 i already had have been with me for 3 years and have been vet check and come back clear and yes the my vet is reptile qualified!

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Some illnesses are airborne, which is why people recommend quarantining new animals in a WHOLE separate building then the established collection (different air supply). Since not everyone has the means to do so, housing the new ones in a separate room is your next best bet. There doesn't need to be direct contact for other animals to get sick (an example: mites. Mites can hitch a ride on your clothes from an infected animal and if you have one on you and you handle an established collection snake then that snake might contract them from your clothing. Doesn't need to be snake to snake physical contact).

What did the vet say about the bleeding? Did he say why they are bleeding?

Okay, I want to make sure I understand the situation completely.
1.) you traded one snake for multiple from him, correct?
2.) you were not informed about a lump on one of the snake, did you not see any pictures before you agreed to the trade?
3.) you put the snakes in a rack with 3 snakes you've had for a while, did any of these get sick or was it just the ones you got from him?
4.) why didn't you quarantine?
5.) how did your vet determine that none of these issues were caused by your care? Did you possibly miss the signs on RI when you first got them?
6.) he agreed to pay the vet bills for the sick snakes, correct?
7.) you decided you want to send the snakes back for a full refund, but he told you he would only take them back if they were healthy, which they obviously aren't, correct?
8.) the snakes have more than just a RI, do you know what else is wrong with them?

Blood from the cloaca is not a health issue. It's a SYMPTOM. If your vet "diagnosed" it as a condition, your vet is not a reptile expert. If your vet said that an RI cannot be contracted in 2 weeks, your vet is not a reptile expert.

If your vet cannot say WHY the snake has blood on the cloaca, he cannot say that it's from something two weeks ago. It's a SYMPTOM, not a condition. That's like saying a snake has missing scales and so obviously it's from two weeks ago. It could be from several things, some of which would be long-standing, some of which could be new.

Sorry you have ill snakes. If he sent you snakes with issues, it's bad. But you have to show they were ill prior to the two weeks. That's more than enough time for them to become ill.

he paid for YOUR vet bill???? he/she sounds like a person that goes a step beyond......
ill put he/she on my plus list of "good guys"..
spooky

Seems strange to me that this is one of a good number of forums I've posted on and this seems to be the only one were people are saying I'm at fault..
The blood from the cloaca was a symptom correct but the vet could couldn't say wat the problem was without doing further testing.she had speculated it might have been due to stomach issues.
The ri I was told developed because the animals weren't 100% heathly and being moved about alot.

Tbf wat ever way anyone on here wants to dress this up the matter is he sold snakes that were not 100%healthy and didn't tell me about a possible tumour on one of the snakes heads , just says to me if someone doesn't tell you about one problem wat else are they not telling you !
Most likley he new about the snakes having issues but still passed them on anyone thisout a thought for the person taking them on ...
As ive already stated the qt is irrelevant as the 3 snakes were 100% healthy and vet checked to just be sure bloods and a full workup were carried out.

Bottom line people who don't tell the truth are usually hiding other problems as I've found out!

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Originally Posted by smart1

Seems strange to me that this is one of a good number of forums I've posted on and this seems to be the only one were people are saying I'm at fault..

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This is by far the best, biggest, and most knowledgeable site there is.:gj:

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Originally Posted by smart1

The ri I was told developed because the animals weren't 100% heathly and being moved about alot.

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A 100% healthy animal CAN get an RI if they are stressed enough. How much stress do you think shipping causes??

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Originally Posted by smart1

Tbf wat ever way anyone on here wants to dress this up the matter is he sold snakes that were not 100%healthy and didn't tell me about a possible tumour on one of the snakes heads , just says to me if someone doesn't tell you about one problem wat else are they not telling you !

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you cannot prove they were not healthy BUT yes, IF he knew about the tumor you should have been informed. Did you not get pics off all animals before transaction?

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Originally Posted by smart1

Most likely he new about the snakes having issues but still passed them on anyone this out a thought for the person taking them on ...As ive already stated the qt is irrelevant as the 3 snakes were 100% healthy and vet checked to just be sure bloods and a full workup were carried out.

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Really?? Thats what YOU want to believe even though he paid your vet bills? Seems it would have been cheaper for him to keep them or put them down rather than go through the hassles of selling them, dealing with a pissed off customer, paying the customers vet bills, and then having said customer bash him.

(This is my last post on this thread just because you do not want to open your eyes and realize there are things out of our control and he has done way more than most people would have. :stupidme::stupidme: )

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Originally Posted by smart1

i traded some royals about 4 weeks ago with (mohammad)for one of my spied hachling all seemed ok on arrival apart from a pied that had a big lump on its nose which i wasnt told about , anyway i decided to take the animals

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You identified the lump on the snakes nose immediately on arrival. You decided to keep the snake anyway. That is 100% on you. For all we know the bump could have been a result of something that happened during shipping. The seller didn't do anything wrong. The seller doesn't have to do anything about it now when you have already accepted it as is.

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Originally Posted by smart1

The whole point of this post was to inform others of the problems I have come across when dealing with this breeder

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Understood. We appreciate the feedback. We now know that Mohammed is a stand up guy worthy of our business. (and by the way, I didn't even know who Mohammed was before this thread so thank you!)

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Originally Posted by smart1

Seems strange to me that this is one of a good number of forums I've posted on and this seems to be the only one were people are saying I'm at fault..

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Thank you! We take great pride as a community in standing above the other forums out there. We won't allow a sellers name to be drug through the dirt, especially in a case like this where the seller went above and beyond what he had to do to provide excellent customer service.

Something everyone should consider before starting a thread like this... There are two things that happen in an inquiries / feedback thread:

1.) It is a searchable reference for future transactions that someone can use to research a SELLER prior to buying from someone they haven't worked with before.

AND

2.) Is is a searchable reference for future transactions that someone can use to research a BUYER prior to selling to someone they haven't worked with before.

After reading this thread, I for one will politely decline if you ever made me an offer on something I was selling.

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Originally Posted by smart1

Tbf wat ever way anyone on here wants to dress this up the matter is he sold snakes that were not 100%healthy and didn't tell me about a possible tumour on one of the snakes heads , just says to me if someone doesn't tell you about one problem wat else are they not telling you !
Most likley he new about the snakes having issues but still passed them on anyone thisout a thought for the person taking them on ...

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I ask again, did you not see pictures before you argeed to the trade? I agree that he may have sold you sick snakes but there is no way to truely prove that. He agreed to pay the vet bills even though you can't prove they were sick with you got them. To me he sounds like a pretty stand up guy and you are an angry customer with buyers remorse because you didn't think the trade through well enough.

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Originally Posted by smart1

As ive already stated the qt is irrelevant as the 3 snakes were 100% healthy and vet checked to just be sure bloods and a full workup were carried out.

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If that's what you think the purpose of quarantine is then you honestly don't understand it. Yes quarantine can protect your new additions from anything your collection has but the primary purpose of quarantine is to protect your established collection from the new additions. You expressed a concern that the snakes you've had for a while might become sick because of this, and this is why you quarantine.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I ask again, did you not see pictures before you argeed to the trade? I agree that he may have sold you sick snakes but there is no way to truely prove that. He agreed to pay the vet bills even though you can't prove they were sick with you got them. To me he sounds like a pretty stand up guy and you are an angry customer with buyers remorse because you didn't think the trade through well enough.



If that's what you think the purpose of quarantine is then you honestly don't understand it. Yes quarantine can protect your new additions from anything your collection has but the primary purpose of quarantine is to protect your established collection from the new additions. You expressed a concern that the snakes you've had for a while might become sick because of this, and this is why you quarantine.

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i didnt see any pictures of the animals and tbh if i had i would have thought long and hard about buying them .
one thing that has made me lol in all of this is how there seems to be no concern for the buyer in all of this , ive now been emailed buy 3 people stateing they have had issues when dealing with mohamad .. so it isnt just me..

if people want to make the mistake of buying from him then thats up to them.. but my testement still stands, to a person who trades alot of animals and always is getting new animals in there all not gonna be in 100% healthly weather the buyer is aware of this or not ...

Sooner or later, your collection is going to be exposed to some thing awful because you have no quarentine. It's irrelevant until you lose every snake you own because you can't be bothered to quarentine new arrivals.

I don't think I'd want to deal to you with how you're blaming the seller for illness you can't prove came from him, for a lump on the nose that you CHOSE to keep, after he paid the vet bills for animals he doesn't know were sick at all.

And there's always those vague "people who had the SAME result as me!" who never emerge, only contact the OP. Whatever forums are saying you're right, go cheer to them about how terrible it is that the seller paid your vet bills after you had them two full weeks and chose to keep them in the first place.