Lesserbee vs Butterbee?

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Originally Posted by Clear

Butter = Lesser | Lesser = Butter.

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+1

If they are the same morph, they are at least different lines. I spent a long time shopping around for my pastel butter, and the difference was pretty obvious except in a few cases.

If butters and lessers are the same thing, so are cinnamons and black pastels.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

If they are the same morph, they are at least different lines. I spent a long time shopping around for my pastel butter, and the difference was pretty obvious except in a few cases.

If butters and lessers are the same thing, so are cinnamons and black pastels.

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very generally speaking
cinnamon = brown
black pastel = black


Unless you want to argue that lemon pastels are different morph from other types of pastel. They are different lines, lesser originated from RDR and I don't know where butter came from, but its just like the different lines of pastel.

Every year as more lessers and butters are bred. The difference is blending in each direction making it pretty obvious the blushing and yellow is not just the lesser/butter gene but also one or more of the other thousands of genes we can't identify. Butters can look like lessers now and lessers can look like butters. same morph.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

If they are the same morph, they are at least different lines. I spent a long time shopping around for my pastel butter, and the difference was pretty obvious except in a few cases.

If butters and lessers are the same thing, so are cinnamons and black pastels.

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Yes to the first part, No to the second.

The difference is pretty obvious when quality morphs are used. Most of the pastel butter/lessers out there are crap. Crap produces more crap. A few years ago I came across an great example of a pastel butter. One of the best I have seen (sadly he died). I am still on the look out for a female pastel butter that will suite my standards it I have found only one out of hundreds I have seen.

Have any of you worked with Lesser's/ Butters? I have I have produced about 40 Lesser's/Butters. They are the same just a different name for the high yellow Lesser.

Lesser's vary so much that clutch mates can look like both so called different lines. Once you breed your Lesser's too a host of different females you will see what I'm talking about.;)

Thank you for all the replies everyone! Very much appreciated. Also, that video was nuts. I had no idea they would show up like that under a blacklight. So cool.

Guess I still have some thinking to do... I must say though that, to me at least, the difference between a lesser and butter jumps right out. At least with quality examples of the morphs, as Clear said. It took me a long time to pick out my lesser, and he's night and day from butters. No yellow in him whatsoever, and a different pattern. Same thing with the Bees. I dunno, maybe I'm just inexperienced. :D

Here's a picture of the butterbee I'm thinking of... Sorry, not the greatest picture ever. Any thoughts? Is she good color / markings wise? Breeder said she was a hold-back.


http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/y...tre1522/30.jpg

I am to picky to give you my input on that butterbee. I have only found two that I have ever liked and both was sold before I could even contact the guy.

Butter or Lesser?
http://i.imgur.com/2lRjQ.jpg

Butter or Lesser?
http://i.imgur.com/AJxNS.jpg

Butter or Lesser?
http://i.imgur.com/HIzmP.jpg

In general, I'm quite picky as well, though I must say that I do like that lesserbee. It's not typically a morph that I am too fond of as they often have too much spotting for my taste, but I think that one's quite lovely.

@clear, I'd call all of those "lessers," though I also agree that they're different bloodlines of the same morph. The 3rd one looks a lot like my lesser male (who is directly traceable to RDR's "Platty Daddy," for what it's worth, which probably isn't much :rolleyes: )

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Originally Posted by Mike.P

Here's a picture of the butterbee I'm thinking of... Sorry, not the greatest picture ever. Any thoughts? Is she good color / markings wise? Breeder said she was a hold-back.


http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/y...tre1522/30.jpg

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That's a good looking butterbee. :gj: