Betcha cant name this morph

I'd like to also, I see nothing on that snake that says yellowbelly, no flames, no aberrant patterning, did you produce the clutch yourself?

She looks too skinny to breed :confused:

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

There is a lot that goes unnoticed due to people being bashed every time they post a thread on wether a snake looks different or not. People just assume they have a normal now a days.

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Not bashing, just have never seen anything like her (as snake lab said), so I am curious to see the parents.

Hopefully she throws a BEL and you can prove ur point. If I didn't see the belly I would've said normal, and with the belly I had no guess. I suck when it comes to identifying the subtle morphs. Good luck and post pics if she has a clutch

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

Not bashing, just have never seen anything like her (as snake lab said), so I am curious to see the parents.

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I wasnt talking about you. Just people in general. I have had animals that people on the forums say is a normal and bigger skilled breeders say it looked like genetic animals they are working with. Im just saying, if it looks different breed it out.

Is anyone crossing ivory and piebald? I just wonder if the het pied belly might cover the yellow belly. Maybe your ivory is a het piebald?

Ill see what i can do about getting a pic of the mother. I sold her because all the yellowbelly morph females im working with now are combos. Like i said only reason i kept this one was cause i couldnt sell her since she doesnt have any common yellowbelly characteristics. It is a weird thing and i know every morph has its subtle features but ive never experienced a situation like this. It would be one thing if we were talking a breeding that can produce a normal in the mix but when you breed an ivory then all the babies are yellowbellies. When you do a ivory x yellowbelly then by percentages 50% should be ivory and the other 50% should be yellowbelly. In no wY can you throw a normal in that breeding so yea it had me stumped and i actually thought i had found a flaw in the yellowbelly gene until her sister threw an ivory this year so ill breed her to an ivory and do the same and then maybe someone will buy her once they see the proof.

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Originally Posted by mpkeelee

Hopefully she throws a BEL and you can prove ur point. If I didn't see the belly I would've said normal, and with the belly I had no guess. I suck when it comes to identifying the subtle morphs. Good luck and post pics if she has a clutch

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you mean ivory.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Is anyone crossing ivory and piebald? I just wonder if the het pied belly might cover the yellow belly. Maybe your ivory is a het piebald?

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There was no mention here of het pied genetics in either snake. He said it produced an ivory, looking like this, already.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Is anyone crossing ivory and piebald? I just wonder if the het pied belly might cover the yellow belly. Maybe your ivory is a het piebald?

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I agree it does look like pied markers but pied markers arent always 100%. Alot of het pied do have the pied markers but its not in all het pieds. I have seen the same markers het pieds have in other morphs. It would be great if the pied marker theory was 100% certain. Then we wouldnt have to have poss hets, we would know but those markers dont always hold true

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Originally Posted by snake lab

I agree it does look like pied markers but pied markers arent always 100%. Alot of het pied do have the pied markers but its not in all het pieds. I have seen the same markers het pieds have in other morphs. It would be great if the pied marker theory was 100% certain. Then we wouldnt have to have poss hets, we would know but those markers dont always hold true

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Whether they are true or not doesn't mean they couldn't alter the belly pattern enough to hide the yb belly.
What baffles me is that from what I can see the rest of the snake doesn't appear to look like a yellowbelly either :confused:
I can understand the OP's confusion, I'd be baffled too :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

you mean ivory.

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I would think they meant Luecistic, which if I'm not mistaken an Ivory is a form of luecism, just not a blue eyed luecistic :P