Black Back ball python

I have a black back female normal that I bred to a black back cinnie and produced black back cinnies and black back normals. So at the very least, the offspring are genetic. I'll have to breed both of them to other animals this season to see if they both are genetic or if just one of them was the dominant one.

Here are pictures of them and their babies.

Black back cinnie:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ny122209_1.jpg

Black back normal:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...PretJune19.jpg

Babies:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...h/IMG_6629.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...Clutch/760.jpg

One of the black back normals:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...h/IMG_6619.jpg

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Babies:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...h/IMG_6629.jpg

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I want this snake!!

I remember reading something on RDR's site that said black/brown backs were essentially het "het reds" since Het Red seems to atctually be a visual morph. This morph never made sense to me because a het red is a visual and the red axanthic would be the super form. So wouldnt it just be a Red Axanthic and a Super Red?

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I remember reading something on RDR's site that said black/brown backs were essentially het "het reds" since Het Red seems to atctually be a visual morph. This morph never made sense to me because a het red is a visual and the red axanthic would be the super form. So wouldnt it just be a Red Axanthic and a Super Red?

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Het = Heterozygous in short meaning 1 gene
Homozygous in short means having 2 genes (genes comes in pairs of 2)

So het red axanthic has 1 gene and the red axanthic has both genes. Pastel, Lesser, Cinny, ect. are all heterozygous aka hets. all morphs are heterozygous or homozygous, doesn't matter if their visual or not, dom, co-dom, or recessive.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I have a black back female normal that I bred to a black back cinnie and produced black back cinnies and black back normals. So at the very least, the offspring are genetic. I'll have to breed both of them to other animals this season to see if they both are genetic or if just one of them was the dominant one.

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So when you bred your BB did you also get non-BB animals in the same clutch?

oops dbl post

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Het = Heterozygous in short meaning 1 gene
Homozygous in short means having 2 genes (genes comes in pairs of 2)

So het red axanthic has 1 gene and the red axanthic has both genes. Pastel, Lesser, Cinny, ect. are all heterozygous aka hets. all morphs are heterozygous or homozygous, doesn't matter if their visual or not, dom, co-dom, or recessive.

So when you bred your BB did you also get non-BB animals in the same clutch?

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According to RDR (If I remember correctly) a het red is (BBxBB) which would make a het red a Homozygous morph. A Red Axanthic would be a super form. Like I said I cant remember 100% but im pretty sure thats what it said.

I have not produced any BB myself, you would be better off asking Rabernet. I do have a BB male just havent bred him. Just never had a good female to put him to.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

According to RDR (If I remember correctly) a het red is (BBxBB) which would make a het red a Homozygous morph. A Red Axanthic would be a super form. Like I said I cant remember 100% but im pretty sure thats what it said.

I have not produced any BB myself, you would be better off asking Rabernet. I do have a BB male just havent bred him. Just never had a good female to put him to.

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Ok i think there might be a little confusion. Homozygous = super, in snake lingo. Red axanthic = homozygous, het red axanthic = heterozygous. You could call red axanthic a super het red axanthic if you really wanted. You need a het red or red to make other het reds. That much I do know.

Now if het reds = BB and how the projects are related, I have no idea. Hopefully someone else can fill that in.

*edit* this is whats on RDR site....

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The Red Axanthic is the homozygous ( super ) form of the Black Backs ( visible hets ) that produce it.............breeding two Black Backs together from this bloodline will produce the super form.............The Red Axanthic. Corey bought a pair of really nice Black Backs from The Snake Keeper some time ago...........he bred them together and produced these beautiful Red Axanthics.............I bred a Red Axanthic ( homo ) male to several normal females producing all Black Backs or "het Red Axanthics" in 2003. The Snake Keeper had no idea what they had when they sold the original Black Backs to Corey.

Het Red Axanthics are the proven line of "Black Backs" needed to produce the homozygous "Red Axanthic" ( The Super )

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Ok i think there might be a little confusion. Homozygous = super, in snake lingo. Red axanthic = homozygous, het red axanthic = heterozygous. You could call red axanthic a super het red axanthic if you really wanted. You need a het red or red to make other het reds. That much I do know.

Now if het reds = BB and how the projects are related, I have no idea. Hopefully someone else can fill that in.

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Yeah sorry its early lol. You are right, Im gonna see if I can find that article on RDR's site. Ill post it if I can find it.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I want this snake!!

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She's not going anywhere! :P

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

So when you bred your BB did you also get non-BB animals in the same clutch?

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I got these two normals who I wouldn't call black backs, but they do have more black on their back than other normals.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...Clutch/761.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rat160

Yeah sorry its early lol. You are right, Im gonna see if I can find that article on RDR's site. Ill post it if I can find it.

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look up for my edit, good info tho, I didn't know het reds were also BB