Re: What is the significance of a "ringer"?
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Originally Posted by
tikigator
That's actually the thread I did read and was wondering if that female was het pied....or the ringer was nothing more than a crazy marking. I just see people advertising snakes with ringers and I didn't know if that meant they were something special over and beyond what they already were (like the pewter with the ringer....he's just a pewter....with a marking that means nothing really)
Thank you all for the clarification. I just tend to see SO MANY ads now that have "high gold ringer" etc and I didn't know if that was a sure-tell sign of something.
Good to know :)
You have to take a good look at any animal that is advertised as "high yellow" or "high gold." Sometimes it may be a person's way of saying that they are a very light or exceptionally yellow example of a particular morph, as in a "high gold" example of a pinstripe or a spider could be a one with less prominent brown tones and exceptional yellow tones, and it's cool to charge more for a great specimen as long as the person buying isn't being tricked into thinking that he's buying more than he's getting.. A ringer is just a ringer. I don't see anything wrong with charging a little more for a ringer if you want to and let the buyer know that it's not some foolproof marker for something else.
I've seen "high yellow" and "high gold" used to describe a very nicely colored normal. Unfortunately I've also seen a few individuals use this terminology and tack a very high price onto a normal. While I don't see anything wrong in charging a little more for a normal that is better than average, I've seen people that are new to snakes and who don't understand what is and is not a morph misled into paying morph prices for a pretty normal. Personally, I would not do this. I hate to see someone who is new to snakes turned off from the hobby by being ripped off.
I figure that if you're charging a little more for a very nice looking normal, that is cool, but let the buyer know that he's buying a very nice normal and not a true morph. The more people who own snakes, the more people we have who share our interests and the stronger we are when someone tries to pass legislation to restrict our ownership of the animals we enjoy. It benefits all of us if new people join us in keeping snakes. It harms us all when newbies get disgusted from being ripped off and get driven away.
My $0.02.
Re: What is the significance of a "ringer"?
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Originally Posted by
angllady2
As far as I can tell, ringers are just odd balls. Pun definitely intended. :D
Ringers have nothing to do with het pieds, although a lot of het or supposed het pieds have them.
Truthfully, I bet if you did an in-depth study, you'd find more non het pied ringers than het pied ringers. People for some reason tend to claim the ringer as an indicator of a het pied, but it's not always.
Yellow ringers and white ringers are the same thing, the color change is based on the snake's body color.
The fastest way to tell a low white pied from a ringer is the pattern. A ringer has the standard alien-head pattern of a normal ball, with a patch of white usually rimmed in orange of various sizes.
A true low white pied may carry what appears to be a ringer, but the body pattern is all wrong. The pied gene shatters the standard pattern into streaks, splotches and squiggles that may or may not contain something vaguely resembling an alien head.
I'm posting a pic of my own low white pied, so you can see what I mean. While his only "pied" marking could easily be a ringer spot, you can tell by his pattern he's pied.
Gale
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...s%2FYakul2.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...s%2FYakul1.jpg
Is this bottom photo a ringer or an extremely low white pied? I ask because I am looking at an 8 ball apparently pied and it's very similar. Almost all normal but around the belly has some broken up white in it's normal pattern. I'm wondering is it's actually a pied. Thanks!!
