Ball considered A "large snake"?

Well I think that its not the state laws that are in question here. The state laws can allow your ball python all they want, but if the management of where you live states in their rules, that large snakes are not allowed, then that is what you need to look into. Not state laws. You need to find out from management first as to what they consider large. (Don't tell them how large a ball python gets or that a ball python is what you are getting. They can easily just bend the rule a bit and say "Oh well we consider large to be anything over 4ft" when in reality their idea of large was something over 6ft, a length a ball python rarely gets to) Once they tell you what they consider large, as long as a ball python is smaller than that size, print out a care guide that clearly states the size of a ball python and show them that the snake you are getting is not considered large, even by their rule, and having the snake in your home is not breaking any rules.

It sounds like they kept the rule vague on purpose. I would clarify it before you buy your snake. As for neighbors knowing you are keeping snakes I feel that it is better for them not to know. All it takes is one person to be afraid of snakes making a big fuss and you have a serious problem.

I would put Ball Pythons in the medium snake category, however some of them can be on the big snake list for me. Such as any over 1700 grams. I wish you luck, and you may want to start looking for a new place to live so that you can keep your snake without a hassle.

I would say to call the landlord and ask for clarification. What is their definition of a large snake? Then, based on their definition, you can show them your bp hatchling and they can see for themselves that this is not a "Large" snake...

But, if they say that anything thicker than a corn snake is large, you'll be out of luck...

Yep rental properties suck! We just got an apartment and are moving there in August. Technically the apartment allows for caged animals (they knew about my sisters snakes and didn't have a problem) but as far as cats and dogs go, you are only allowed 3. We have four cats and a dog. We'll see how that goes. We just can't afford to buy a house right now. *Sigh* It would be nice to own a house. No animal rules!

Sorry I should have stated earlier & don't know why I didn't (rage I guess) but I left out an important part. The home is a mobilehome that is in a park. I am the owner of the mobile not the park. The park thinks they can control what goes on inside the house as well as outside. I can totally understand the outside since they own the property & I rent it from them, but I own whats inside or so I thought..

The only reason the neighbor told the management is because she is deathly afraid of snakes & said she would do everything she can to make it so I don't own it. It's not like I will be parading it outside & I think as long as it's inside & not harming anyone I can do whatever I please inside the home.

& ya Cali has some screwed up rules, I drive a truck for a living & it's a constant harrassment when driving.. and well that's another long story I wont get into now. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TimNA

Sorry I should have stated earlier & don't know why I didn't (rage I guess) but I left out an important part. The home is a mobilehome that is in a park. I am the owner of the mobile not the park. The park thinks they can control what goes on inside the house as well as outside. I can totally understand the outside since they own the property & I rent it from them, but I own whats inside or so I thought..

The only reason the neighbor told the management is because she is deathly afraid of snakes & said she would do everything she can to make it so I don't own it. It's not like I will be parading it outside & I think as long as it's inside & not harming anyone I can do whatever I please inside the home.

& ya Cali has some screwed up rules, I drive a truck for a living & it's a constant harrassment when driving.. and well that's another long story I wont get into now. :rolleyes:

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Then by law they cant tell you waht goes on in your house. if you own it and are only paying Rent for the lot, they have no ground to argue on.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

wrong...:colbert:
having lived in apartments in california i know first hand that management can and will if they deem fit, come into your home. why do you think they always request a copy of the keys of any locks you put in, even if its a lock on a bedroom door. they dont have to ask you for permission or even tell you that they will. if they think you have something there thats not allowed they will come in and although you have the right to not allow them entry that is to them admission of guilt.
theres absolutely no privacy when it comes to renting apartments or anything for that matter.
i HATE apartments. i dont like being so close to other people like that, like my living room is directly adjacent to theirs & only separated by a wall. their noise disturbs you & vise versa...ugh! hate it!
no privacy + no freedom = a whole lotta stress.

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FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

Your best bet is to stay cool and collected.
Gather some written professional information (not a whole book, though) that clearly states how docile and non-dangerous Ball Pythons are. You can print out a presentation with a few pictures of people handling adult BP's.

4 to 5 feet long sounds HUGE to some people, but when you are handling a BP that is curled around your arms, this 4 foot snake looks very small indeed.

Be very professional and also lay out that you are a well informed on the proper care and maintenance of reptiles. Explain how you will be housing the reptile and the steps you are taking to make sure there will be no escapes. Acknowledge their concerns and assure them they are unfounded.

Thanks guys/gals. I appreciate all the advice. I am going to calm down then go down and talk with them to find out from them. I will find some info on the snake and print it out and bring with me. If they wont budge I will just say I won't get it but still do and just not let anyone know. Just keeping the wife's big mouth shut will be an issue I think.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

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It might depend on where you live. I know that when I've lived in apartments, the leasing office was to give you at least 24 hour notice before entering your apartment, BUT they did say that in the case of an emergency they were allowed to enter your apartment without notice or without you there. My sister lived at the apartment complex I'm moving to and they came into her apartment while she wasn't there because they were checking for damages since she was moving out and needed to make a list of the things they would need to repair any damages. Now, that I think should be illegal, but they did it anyway. With notice, I can easily hide or move my cats to make it seem I am complying with the rules, but without notice, I could easily get caught with too many cats.