Talked to a fellow @ the repticon in Atlanta the end of January. He had a mojave that looked very similar to those. He called the Dirty Joe Mojaves he said they proved it genetic. I cant remember their names but after looking @ the floor lay out of that show and where they were next to our tables it has to be either Cider reptiles or R&S Reptiles.... I dunno wish I could help and remember more... Hot mojaves though congrats