Noob to breeding with question about possible new BPs

I would def want to see the snakes in question. If it is close, you may want to just take a ride out to see them. If you are even remotely interested, look for things such as stuck shed, mites, loose skin (not fed properly), how the snakes are housed (are they in the same tank "big no no" or housed separately), look for scale rot, mouth rot, etc...check this site and also google to get pics of what I mentioned and check them for such issues. Also, no such thing as a het spider or het pastel. It's either spider or normal. I'm betting a normal that came from a spider to normal breeding. You could get a great deal from Craigslist, I have seen other's get them. But, in my OP, you'd be better served to stick with Garrick DeMeyer. You would be getting a healthy snake and a responsible breeder who would stand behind it if there were any issues. Good luck! :)

thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'm going to call him tomorrow just to get an idea about them and him. I finally figured out how to put the pics here, derrrr. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l9...1306203309.jpg


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l9...1306203308.jpg

From the looks of them, I see three normals. The one on the top right would probably be the one they are saying is a spider or "het spider" as they refferred to it as. It has a very reduced pattern but is not a spider. I don't see a pastel among them either. Here is my spider and pastel to compare:

Spider
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...ghBall/Web.jpg

Pastel
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...all/Dunkel.jpg

They look like they feed them as they're not too skinny (the one in the middle I'm guessing is a 2009 or 2010). The others may be older. I'd want to have them properly sexed as well to ensure you're getting what they are advertising as far as male to female if you are serious about them. As I stated before, if you want to get into breeding and want to start with def 100% hets, Garrick DeMeyer would be the better of the two options. Good luck. :)

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Originally Posted by Cendalla

Yeah, spider is Co-Dominant. Nothing about it is recessive like the pieds.

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Just so misinformation isn't spread Spiders are a Dominate trait until proven otherwise.

OP all 3 snakes are normals and the one in the middle is extremely skinny :(

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Originally Posted by mdfreak2

het pie x het pie u will get 25% normal, 25% pied, and 50% het out of a clutch of 4 eggs

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wi...h83&female=h83

Correct me IF I am wrong but that is your chances per egg, not whole clutch?:rolleyes:

They are all 3 normals which means he either doesnt know anything bout ball pythons or the more likely situation is a liar to get more money. I wouldnt even consider buying the three from him for the 75 even if all three were females. Stick with a reputable breeder. Kingsnake.com has alot of reputable breeders who sell their offspring on the site and I have purchased a few snakes from there from different breeders and never had a problem.

I wouldnt buy them. Just from his lack of knowledge on genetics shows that theres a problem. But also because they are so cheap. You can guarantee yourself those are normals.

Since everyone else has given advice on the CL snakes there really isn't left to say about that. As for Garrick DeMeyer, I bought my PH Caramel Glow from him and I love her, she's a great feeder. I look forward to buying another snake from him in the future. That being said, you could probably find a local breeder and save on shipping.

I'd go take a look if you were really considering it. While $75 for three snakes sounds too good to be true, maybe the person can't care for them and just wants them out. If you go take a look and all the snakes are a good weight, look nice and healthy and eat well (ask the guy if you can come out the day he feeds them to make sure they eat, don't take someone's "oh yeah don't worry, they eat great!") I think it would be worth it. Craigslist won't let you SELL animals, you can only ask for a reasonable re-homing fee, so it makes sense that you wouldn't see +/-$1000 for them.

Basically, you'd need to go see them and determine for yourself. Just my :twocents:.



(also, there isn't any such thing as a "het spider". You either have a spider or you don't. :D )


EDIT: Saw the pictures you posted. For all the horror stories about getting BP's off CL, those seem in rather good health. But all look like normals to me. The one on the far right and the one in the last photo MIGHT be dinkers, but that would be a chance you'd have to decide to take and prove out if you wanted.