Wrist cover up tattoo

Thanks for the explanation Pandora, but the first thought that crossed my mind was similar to Dr. Del's. Aborigines do not have 44 chromosomes, they have 46 like all of us humans. The Aboriginal people have suffered from extreme racism since their land was encroached upon, and it's disheartening to think that it still happens today... the idea that they are not human. There are also numerous creatures that have 48 chromosomes including chimps, beavers, and deer mice. While the spirituality thing is beyond me, I'm having trouble understanding the thought process tying it with chromosome number.

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Thank you very much. The original tattoo was actually inspired by a Tool song but I didn't know much about tattoos when I first got it done, and clearly it was upside down. The actual meaning behind the numbers is as follows:

Basically, it's believed that there are three levels of human evolution and each has it's form of conciousness. There's the 1st level with 44 chromosones. These are primitve people's like the aboriginies in Australia who do not percieve anything outside of themselves. They only see one large conciousness with no distinguishment between organisms. Then there's the second level with 46 chromosones. That is us. We are a chaotic disharmonic conciousness that is basically used as a stepping stone between the first and third levels. The third level is 48 chromosones. (Or 46 & 2, with 2 being the sex chromosones x & y). This is the higher level of conciousness. Our destination.

But this is where the Jungian theory comes in. It is believed that you can not reach this third level of evolution without first delving into yourself and basically cleansing your conciousness for the next jump. That's where the Shadow comes in. The shadow is basically everything about that is unseen that you are uncomfortable with or hate. This is also known as the Anima (hence the name of the CD).

The last part of the song sums all of this up...

"See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me
Soften this old armor
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side
Step into the shadow
Forty six and two are just ahead of me"

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Did Maynard make that up? Nice looking tat, BTW.

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Originally Posted by MarkieJ

Thanks for the explanation Pandora, but the first thought that crossed my mind was similar to Dr. Del's. Aborigines do not have 44 chromosomes, they have 46 like all of us humans. The Aboriginal people have suffered from extreme racism since their land was encroached upon, and it's disheartening to think that it still happens today... the idea that they are not human. There are also numerous creatures that have 48 chromosomes including chimps, beavers, and deer mice. While the spirituality thing is beyond me, I'm having trouble understanding the thought process tying it with chromosome number.

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The aborigines BELIEVE that they have 44 chromosomes, because they consider themselves equal among all species and beings.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Did Maynard make that up? Nice looking tat, BTW.

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Maynard did not make it up. He simply wrote a song about the concept of spiritual enlightenment

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



I have no problems with the spirituality and striving for betterment aspects - it was the bad science shoehorned into it that got on my goat. :P

I always get jumpy when people misunderstand the science they are using in arguments that shouldn't contain any at all - and doubly so when it enables some repugnant prejudices to seem sensible and accurate.

I have also been intrested in the concept or reaching an enlightened state of being many times in the past.

But how something which is described as trancending the physical can be tied to some fairly low level ( as in foundation ) biological characteristics escapes me.

If you tie biological evolution to spiritual evolution then you deny the possibility of individual growth or change. The species can get better as the generations pass but those born into a generation are fixed with a finite level cap at birth.

The mortification of the flesh is a fairly widespread concept in all spiritual paths but, if the two aspects are linked in a fixed way, it is absolutely the wrong approach.

Which means almost all religions with fasting, denial and scourging in the history of their founders, prophets and leaders are hampering the spiritual growth of the species.

The only possible get out clause would be transmogrification.


dr del

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I agree with you completely that science and religion/spirituality can't mix. I usually take the scientific approach to evolution and the concept of spiritualism, but I find solace in being my own higher power since I believe that permanence is within myself.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Pandora

The aborigines BELIEVE that they have 44 chromosomes, because they consider themselves equal among all species and beings.

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No. They don't.

Because there are many different number groupings of chromosomes among the natural species - it would be idiotic to pick one.

I don't mind people trying to use science to support spiritual beliefs - as long as they get the science bit right. :)

If we hadn't evolved an upright walking stance we wouldn't have been as free to develop manual dexterity which enabled tool use when coupled to the larger brain ( or, nore accurately, higher iq. ) enabled us to survive well enough to have the free time to explore sirituality in the first place. :D

So there is an agument for biology in spirituality - I just don't think it is as inflexible as the concepts in the tool song imply.

As a general rule if someone calls another group of people "primitive" or "less advanced" kick them in the nuts and ignore everything else they ever had to say about anything.

Stupidity may be manure but it rarely grows anything of worth.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Maynard did not make it up. He simply wrote a song about the concept of spiritual enlightenment

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Thanks. It is an interesting concept, but not one that I particularly believe.

Awesome cover up job!:gj:
It amazes me how great of a job a tattoo artist can do!

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Originally Posted by mues155

Awesome cover up job!:gj:
It amazes me how great of a job a tattoo artist can do!

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I know! Nobody in the shop could tell it was a cover up.
I'm so happy with it :D

Wow they did a great job with the cover up! :gj: