FWS Files Final Rule/ Constrictor Ban

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Originally Posted by knox

I would love to see all the undocumented cases of snakes being released by individual owners.

I am not doubting the hurricane's role in this. But no one can rule out released pets, either.

But let's just throw out Florida all together. Forget the wild pythons - they don't exist. Now, let's move on to PROPER care of a 15 foot snake. I would love to see more than a couple of individual's Burmese or Rock Python enclosures. Or Green Anaconda enclosures, complete with 12 foot pond.

I don't want to fight about anything, just throwing out the other side. Not trying to be a jerk.

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Is your glass always half empty?

Show me any animal on this forum that does not have a suitable enclosure, and I won't call your bs. Sounds like you need to do WAY more research on this topic. I would go to USARK and look at all the documentation they have produced. Then re-think your stand on the subject.

Is this a country wide ban?

Simple Man, being hypocritical and narrow minded goes way beyond owning snakes. We are all guilty of this at many points in our lives. I don't appreciate the personal attack, but I am not offended.

I understand that carrying on a rational, well-thought out debate without stooping to lower levels like over-generalizations like calling me narrow minded and hypocritical is not the easiest thing to do, especially on a forum.

But let's rise above that, shall we?

That being said, I personally don't believe owning a snake that exceeds 15 feet and requires at least 2 people to SAFELY handle it is the best thing for our hobby. Corn Snakes don't escape and eat the neighbor's dog or cat. Ball Pythons don't make the news for nearly killing someone.

I LOVE our hobby. I LOVE snakes. I LOVE freedom. But freedom is NOT free. And allowing EVERYONE to do or own ANYTHING they want is irresponsible.

Could I be wrong? Sure. But so could anyone who disagrees with me.

My views on this are not set in stone. As I said in my first reply, I welcome disagreement and discussion. But let's keep it polite. As responsible, snake owning adults that is not too much to ask...

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Originally Posted by Austin236

Is this a country wide ban?

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Yes it is

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Originally Posted by Austin236

Is this a country wide ban?

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Yep nation wide..sucks don't it.. Better start emailing and sending letters to your congressmen.

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

Is your glass always half empty?

Show me any animal on this forum that does not have a suitable enclosure, and I won't call your bs. Sounds like you need to do WAY more research on this topic. I would go to USARK and look at all the documentation they have produced. Then re-think your stand on the subject.

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You missed my point. I am talking about 15 to 20 foot snakes, not 3 to 4 foot Ball Pythons or Kingsnakes.

I don't mind you calling my posts B.S., but look at what you are replying to a bit better first, please.

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Originally Posted by knox

You missed my point. I am talking about 15 to 20 foot snakes, not 3 to 4 foot Ball Pythons or Kingsnakes.

I don't mind you calling my posts B.S., but look at what you are replying to a bit better first, please.

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So you want to throw the giants under the bus cause you dont like them or understand why others like them and keep them.

By accepting the legislation on banning them will give them more room to work on the next bill. Which could ban owning any python, boa, colubrid,venomous.

Im not a huge fan of large snakes either, but who the hell am i to throw one under the bus cause i dont keep them. I totally understand why ones keep giants, their gorgeous just like venomous. I fight for everyone who keeps snakes, since last time i checked the Gov. runs this country not us. If they want to ban something they will. And if they feel they can get few persuaded over ot their side, whats next?

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Originally Posted by knox

Simple Man, being hypocritical and narrow minded goes way beyond owning snakes. We are all guilty of this at many points in our lives. I don't appreciate the personal attack, but I am not offended.

I understand that carrying on a rational, well-thought out debate without stooping to lower levels like over-generalizations like calling me narrow minded and hypocritical is not the easiest thing to do, especially on a forum.

But let's rise above that, shall we?

That being said, I personally don't believe owning a snake that exceeds 15 feet and requires at least 2 people to SAFELY handle it is the best thing for our hobby. Corn Snakes don't escape and eat the neighbor's dog or cat. Ball Pythons don't make the news for nearly killing someone.

I LOVE our hobby. I LOVE snakes. I LOVE freedom. But freedom is NOT free. And allowing EVERYONE to do or own ANYTHING they want is irresponsible.

Could I be wrong? Sure. But so could anyone who disagrees with me.

My views on this are not set in stone. As I said in my first reply, I welcome disagreement and discussion. But let's keep it polite. As responsible, snake owning adults that is not too much to ask...

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This ban would be like suddenly not allowing anyone in the U.S. to drive cars. Because lets face it cars kill more people a year do more widespread damage to both local and national environments than the big nine ever will. The irresponsible people and uncontrollable events in this, because of the media's shock sells mindset, have caused this hobby irreparable damage. Punish the offender not the populace.

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Originally Posted by knox

That being said, I personally don't believe owning a snake that exceeds 15 feet and requires at least 2 people to SAFELY handle it is the best thing for our hobby. Corn Snakes don't escape and eat the neighbor's dog or cat. Ball Pythons don't make the news for nearly killing someone.

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Why? Who are we to say, "That snake is too big for you, you can't handle something that complex." Not only that, but these breeders are well established. Research BHB, NERD, even Denial (who has awesome big beauties) on this forum. Look into their lives, and then tell them they can't handle it.

Should we look at other animals that are just as dangerous? Horses, cattle, dogs? I have a claustrophobic Labrador that will plow you over if you back him into a corner. Does that mean we should ban labs?

Where does too dangerous end?

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Originally Posted by knox

You missed my point. I am talking about 15 to 20 foot snakes, not 3 to 4 foot Ball Pythons or Kingsnakes.

I don't mind you calling my posts B.S., but look at what you are replying to a bit better first, please.

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No, no. Not calling your posts bs. I love a good debate as well. Sorry, jumped the gun a bit there. I'm reading your post as 'nobody can care for these animals properly,' and yes I think that is bs. I just think you are trying to understand a "big snake" keeper, and going about it the wrong way.