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buy a small freezer

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

I've heard the whole "feeding frozen is the only way if you care about your animals" crap a few too many times. Get over yourself. They are snakes. They are not made of glass. Getting bit lets them know they had a bad strike and how to correct it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding live, except some people are way overprotective.

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Obviously you didnt read my post or you just didnt understand, I never said that feeding live is wrong, and I really never said that frozen is the only way to do it either..especially since I feed live to my snakes all the time.. I just said there is really no absolutely safe way to do it. and you have to be ready for the possibility of something happening. Thats all.

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Originally Posted by Powerspythons

Obviously you didnt read my post or you just didnt understand, I never said that feeding live is wrong, and I really never said that frozen is the only way to do it either..especially since I feed live to my snakes all the time.. I just said there is really no absolutely safe way to do it. and you have to be ready for the possibility of something happening. Thats all.

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Yeah, I'm probably still being defensive after the last "don't feed live" post. I was reading it in a bad tone. Which is hard to figure on a forum. And, I should stress that I don't think there is anything wrong with feeding frozen either. I just think it's a lot of work. And, since all of my snakes were bought as live feeders i've only tried switching a couple times. To no avail. But, everyone should do what works best for them. :)

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

buy a small freezer

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I can't have frozen mice anywhere in the house. Even if I bought my own freezer, there would be no point in it.

But you can have live? I don't get it...

Feeding live is much less time consuming than feeding F/T..the only advantage to someone that doesn't breed their own feeders is that with F/T you're able to offer a food item any time you need to..where as with live that option requires a little more effort.

Feed them live there's nothing wrong with that..Get you a set of tongs, Present the room, grab the rat at the scruff on the back of the neck and present the item to the snake..don't let go of the rat till it is fully constricted. Keeping control of the rat is the only way I've found to reduce the risk of injury. Does this mean you're never going to see the occasional nip no..But keeping the rat from running up and just biting the fire out of your snake can be avoided.

P.S. 99.995% of the time if the room is properly presented my snakes don't even let me get the tub open good before the are coming out mouth open at anything that is warm and moves..

I don't want to turn this into a F/T vs. live thread, but there are other advantages to F/T.

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Originally Posted by LizardPants

I don't want to turn this into a F/T vs. live thread, but there are other advantages to F/T.

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The advantages are only available if you're able to offer F/T the OP however is not so their two options are #1 Feed live or #2 don't get a snake.

..I offer both live and F/T..

To me the Live V. F/T debate has always been pointless..Do what works for you and your animals..If that means dressing the rats in dresses and high heel shoes so be it..But trying to debate what works in one persons collection vs another is as pointless as debating which angle is the best to view a TV from.

The world Snake World will forever go rounds and rounds trying to convince each other that one way is better than the other, Me I'm going to focus on my snakes and what works for them..

To the OP..I hope you enjoy your new little one and not to worry feeding live isn't going to cause the Robot Nazi Zombie Apocalypse..You'd do fine..

do you guys realize that this is why animals become mean and cage aggressive! not only that your enabling the pyschology of aggression! :) yes im a pysch major.

1 if you feed agressive food they are going to become agressive cause they are afraid of being bit! i would too wouldnt u? ( our hands look like mice! :) in heat anyways :) )

2. feedin in the cage is standard conditioning! door opens food comes in and lets attack before it attacks or im hungry strike! yes reminder food is a huge conditiong agent! ( just ask my cat who hears the pastic to a pack of treats and comes running!)

We need to remember that these animals run on instict and the more we give them reasons to be agressive thats more of a reason for them to be! also feeding in the cage is the equivalent of pavlov dog experiment!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov
,if you dont know what im refering too check it out!!

Sorry for the tagent!

:snake::snake::snake:

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Originally Posted by jager08

do you guys realize that this is why animals become mean and cage aggressive! not only that your enabling the pyschology of aggression! :) yes im a pysch major.

1 if you feed agressive food they are going to become agressive cause they are afraid of being bit! i would too wouldnt u? ( our hands look like mice! :) in heat anyways :) )

2. feedin in the cage is standard conditioning! door opens food comes in and lets attack before it attacks or im hungry strike! yes reminder food is a huge conditiong agent! ( just ask my cat who hears the pastic to a pack of treats and comes running!)

We need to remember that these animals run on instict and the more we give them reasons to be agressive thats more of a reason for them to be! also feeding in the cage is the equivalent of pavlov dog experiment!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov
,if you dont know what im refering too check it out!!

Sorry for the tagent!

:snake::snake::snake:

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