Question about hets.

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Originally Posted by seeya205

Het Ivory is really a wrong name! A recessive can only produce hets. Yellow Belly is a co-dom and the super form is an Ivory! The het is visual so it co-dom!

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that is incorrect, all genes have a heterozygous (aka het) and homozygous (sometimes called super) form. Pastel, Yellow Belly, Lesser, het albino, het clown are all heterozygous (het), while super pastel, Ivory, BEL, albino, clown are all homozygous.

being het has nothing with being recessive, co-dom or dom. we just drop the "het" when we talk about co-dom and dom because its visual, doesn't mean it still isn't het.

To the OP: Just call it a yellow belly, its how we talk in the reptile world, we shorten words and drop assumed words... just what we do. Makes it confusing for everyone else lol. the het ivory is just assumed so we don't say it. we don't call pastels, "pastel het super pastel."

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

that is incorrect, all genes have a heterozygous (aka het) and homozygous (sometimes called super) form. Pastel, Yellow Belly, Lesser, het albino, het clown are all heterozygous (het), while super pastel, Ivory, BEL, albino, clown are all homozygous.

being het has nothing with being recessive, co-dom or dom. we just drop the "het" when we talk about co-dom and dom because its visual, doesn't mean it still isn't het.

To the OP: Just call it a yellow belly, its how we talk in the reptile world, we shorten words and drop assumed words... just what we do. Makes it confusing for everyone else lol. the het ivory is just assumed so we don't say it. we don't call pastels, "pastel het super pastel."

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I think this should be changed. We as a group should try to use correct terms. Not that I know all them. But just my $.02

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

I think this should be changed. We as a group should try to use correct terms. Not that I know all them. But just my $.02

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Never would be changed, been used too much for the past 10 years. And then it would confuse other people that wouldn't be part of the movement lol.

to me you should just have heterozygous yellow belly and homozygous yellow belly. no ivory at all. it makes sense and isn't so confusing. but at the same time I could see how its a mouthful to say Homozygous Pastel, Homozygous Hypo, Heterozygous Black Pastel, Heterozygous Lesser Platinum instead of Silver Surfer. so i don't think there win either way.

im gonna start saying mojave het for BEL and see how many people i can annoy, cuz when people say yellow belly het for ivory i just get annoyed

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

that is incorrect, all genes have a heterozygous (aka het) and homozygous (sometimes called super) form. Pastel, Yellow Belly, Lesser, het albino, het clown are all heterozygous (het), while super pastel, Ivory, BEL, albino, clown are all homozygous.

being het has nothing with being recessive, co-dom or dom. we just drop the "het" when we talk about co-dom and dom because its visual, doesn't mean it still isn't het.

To the OP: Just call it a yellow belly, its how we talk in the reptile world, we shorten words and drop assumed words... just what we do. Makes it confusing for everyone else lol. the het ivory is just assumed so we don't say it. we don't call pastels, "pastel het super pastel."

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That is basically what I said! I meant that they are not called het Ivory anymore! I said it was a visual het!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

That is basically what I said! I meant that they are not called het Ivory anymore! I said it was a visual het!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

A recessive can only produce hets.

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mostly what I was referring to. Sorry guess we are on the same page

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Originally Posted by mpkeelee

im gonna start saying mojave het for BEL and see how many people i can annoy, cuz when people say yellow belly het for ivory i just get annoyed

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I get annoyed because to me a super mojave shouldn't be called a BEL, come on people it has color.... therefore not Leucistic

I think the system works extremely well. I am new to the whole ball python genetics thing within the last month or so. I have done lots and lots and lots of research. There are few things that I don't understand now. I think saying het ivory or het anything other than referring to a recessive gene is confusing. To me an super form(including ivory) is different than a base because the color and or pattern is different. I look at it as two genes in one. Yes I know that it is the same gene, but now there are two of them in a sense. Whereas a recessive show color with just the one gene. To me het means half of the gene needed to make the color. I know that this is all not "technically" correct but it definately helped me understand it a lot faster looking at it in these ways. When I made my huge spreadsheet, I put super forms of the snakes on the double gene list. Just the way I look at it. Might help some other newbies to see.

I only said yellow belly het ivory because thats what VMS Herps had her listed as. I didnt know that ivory is the super form of yellow belly.

And I think that is part of the problem. I am not saying they were trying to mislead or anything but like that. I do think that some breeders try and take advantage of people who aren't as educated in genetics as others. That is another reason I think things like that shouldn't be used. It is somewhat misleading whether intentionally or not. The uneducated person may think that ivory is a completely different morph when in fact it is just the super form of yellowbelly. My biggest advice and I know this can be very tedious because I did it. Go and make a list of all the base morphs and their super forms. If they have another name other than just super like super pastel then right it like super yellowbelly is ivory or super mojave is a blue eyed leucistic. This list will come in very handy and get you a good foundation to genetics. Research is key to understanding and doing well in this hobby.

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Originally Posted by RemysBalls

And I think that is part of the problem. I am not saying they were trying to mislead or anything but like that. I do think that some breeders try and take advantage of people who aren't as educated in genetics as others. That is another reason I think things like that shouldn't be used. It is somewhat misleading whether intentionally or not. The uneducated person may think that ivory is a completely different morph when in fact it is just the super form of yellowbelly. My biggest advice and I know this can be very tedious because I did it. Go and make a list of all the base morphs and their super forms. If they have another name other than just super like super pastel then right it like super yellowbelly is ivory or super mojave is a blue eyed leucistic. This list will come in very handy and get you a good foundation to genetics. Research is key to understanding and doing well in this hobby.

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Its not taking advantage, its an old school term. When I was first looking at snakes, every yellow belly was advertised as yellow belly het ivory, so people knew it could make ivories. Now people know for the most part, so its not needed anymore, but some people advertise them the old way. though normally i saw it advertised like this..... Yellow Belly (het Ivory).