What is every base morph and which lay on the same allele?

Same with het highway as far I understand they both combine with yb to make the Highway and Puma ball.

ok het puma is in fact a part of the superstripe complex

the lemonbacks i keep seeing how they look like fires and super is a BlkEL but I cannot find where it says they are compatible... any got insight to this or link to info?

I believe it was Pro Exotics that proved it out to make a Black eyed lucy :)

Ooh, okay gotcha ... Wow, that must be an undertaking!

A few comments then:

One, it's sounding increasingly as though the banana / coral glow are the same morph and are in some way "sex linked" -- if not literally, at least statistically. (In other words, even if it isn't literally a gene on a sex chromosome, it does seem to show up in females a majority of the time.) I don't know the exact incidence, though, which you'd need for programming, and besides that it sounds like a programming nightmare to add sex to the mix :O

Two, isn't lemonback the name of PE's line of fires? Or am I thinking of something else?

Three, I don't think (??) it's been proven for sure yet but I think toffee and candy are thought to be the same thing ... It's also been proposed that ultramel and crider may be the same thing. (There's also the calico/sugar debate ...)

Finally, I honestly don't know the answer to this, but are sable and chocolate on the same locus? I know they definitely don't appear to be the same gene ...

Pinstripe and "regular" woma are suspected of being dominant ... There may be some others too that I'm not remembering.

Oh, and what's a Huffman? :P :confused:

Wow I took way too long to write that post ... Kept getting distracted :P Beat me to the lemonback thing ...

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Ooh, okay gotcha ... Wow, that must be an undertaking!

A few comments then:

One, it's sounding increasingly as though the banana / coral glow are the same morph and are in some way "sex linked" -- if not literally, at least statistically. (In other words, even if it isn't literally a gene on a sex chromosome, it does seem to show up in females a majority of the time.) I don't know the exact incidence, though, which you'd need for programming, and besides that it sounds like a programming nightmare to add sex to the mix :O

Two, isn't lemonback the name of PE's line of fires? Or am I thinking of something else?

Three, I don't think (??) it's been proven for sure yet but I think toffee and candy are thought to be the same thing ... It's also been proposed that ultramel and crider may be the same thing. (There's also the calico/sugar debate ...)

Finally, I honestly don't know the answer to this, but are sable and chocolate on the same locus? I know they definitely don't appear to be the same gene ...

Pinstripe and "regular" woma are suspected of being dominant ... There may be some others too that I'm not remembering.

Oh, and what's a Huffman? :P :confused:

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never herd of the sex linked thing, wouldn't really be a programing nightmare, your chances are now cut in half by 50% lol

i just emailed pro exotics for info

yea there alot of suspected compatible things, but until proven, im keeping separate, I should make a separate "watch list" for those kind of things

I also trying to figure out, how to word things, like pinstripe has a proven homozygous form, but most of the other dominate traits don't.

then spider apparently doesn't have a homozygous form, so how do you calculate that? spider x spider = 75%/25% or 50%/50% or 33%/66%? hmmm, mayb if you come up with a homozygous spider I should just have a separate link to info on the super spider debate lol

Alrite updated, some morphs i still donno what they are lol, i made this list too long ago.

*8 Ball Complex*
Cinnamon Pastel
Black Pastel

*BEL Complex*
Butter
Mojave
Russo Het Leucistic
Phantom
Mystic
Lesser
Mocha
Special
Daddy Gene

*BlkEL Complex*
Fire
Sulfur
?Lemonback? - Awaiting email back

*Superstripe Complex*
Yellow Belly
Goblin
Orange Belly
Spector
Whirlwind
Het Puma

*Watch List - Unproven complex*
Toffee
Candy

Ultramelanistic
Crider

Calico
Sugar

Het Red Axanthic
Green Pastel

*Dominate Genes*
Pinstripe - Proven
Spider - I donno what to do with this one yet

*Unproven Domiate Genes*
Champagne
Coral Glow
Banana
Woma
Desert

*Other Base Morphs*
Lavender Albino
Caramel Albino
Pastel
Albino
Lori
Axanthic (VPI)
Axanthic (TSK)
Axanthic (Jolliff)
Piebald
Clown
Desert Ghost
Genetic Stripe
Tri-Stripe
Hypo
Green Ghost
Blue Ghost
Burgundy
Patternless
Black Lace
Black Head
Black Opal
Orange Crush
Peach
Congo
Black Axanthic
Enchi
Granite
Sable
Vanilla
Hidden Gene Woma
Chocolate
Paint
Spotnose
Red Stripe
Disco
Epic
Orange Dream
Black Belly
Calico
Garcia
Het Highway
Sentinel
Lace
Huffman
Whitesmoke
Shatter
Marble
Ghi
Cajun
Goldfinger
Lace
Leopard
Napalm
Puzzle
Reaper
Fader

i really wish i could edit the original post, sorry for the multiple lists guys. alright so i looked up everything I could and i have a few questions,

Citrus Pastel - compatible with normal pastel?
Huffman - Did it ever get renamed?
Leopard - story on this confuses me, what goes on with this morph?
also anyone know for sure that green and blue hypo are separate morphs from normal hypo? info on these is very conflicting.

updated list, obviously let me know if anything seems wrong

*8 Ball Complex*
Cinnamon Pastel
Black Pastel

*BEL Complex*
Butter
Mojave
Russo Het Leucistic
Phantom
Mystic
Lesser
Mocha
Special
Daddy Gene

*BlkEL Complex*
Fire
Sulfur
?Lemonback? - Awaiting email back

*Superstripe Complex*
Yellow Belly
Goblin
Orange Belly
Spector
Whirlwind
Het Puma
Het Highway

*Watch List - Unproven complex*
Toffee
Candy

Ultramelanistic
Crider

Calico
Sugar

Het Red Axanthic
Green Pastel

Chocolate
Sable

Coral Glow
Whitesmoke
Banana

*Dominate Genes*
Congo - Proven
Pinstripe - Proven
Spider - I donno what to do with this one yet

*Unproven Domiate Genes*
Champagne
Woma
Desert
Black Head
Epic
Orange Dream
Black Belly
Shatter
Marble
Philistine
Napalm
Reaper
Fader

*Other Base Morphs*
Lavender Albino
Caramel Albino
Pastel
Albino
Lori
Axanthic (VPI)
Axanthic (TSK)
Axanthic (Jolliff)
Piebald
Clown
Desert Ghost
Genetic Stripe
Tri-Stripe
Hypo
Green Ghost
Blue Ghost
Burgundy
Patternless
Black Lace
Black Opal
Orange Crush
Peach
Black Axanthic
Enchi
Granite
Vanilla
Hidden Gene Woma
Paint
Spotnose
Red Stripe
Disco
Calico
Garcia
Sentinel
Lace
Ghi
Cajun
Goldfinger
Lace
Puzzle

Citrus Pastel - compatible with normal pastel?
Huffman - Did it ever get renamed?
Leopard - story on this confuses me

I'm still rather new to this, but I was curious, in the "Other Base Morphs" list is this just a list of morphs with unknown categorization or is that a separate category? I saw you had pastel and spotnose on there, which are both co-dominant? Perhaps I'm missing the boat entirely.

I tend to disagree with having the Mystic and the Phantom listed in the BEL complex. Is there a supper Platty(Daddy)? Platty Daddy is not the same as Lessor.
To my knowledge they do not make a BEL when bred together to create a Homo form.

Spector/Whirlwind are the same morph.
Goblin/Yellow Belly and I think Orange Belly are the same morph


Het Red/ Green Pastel/ Lace Back Back are the same morph

Pinstripe/Spider/Woma are Dominant morphs. Have never seen proof of a Homo of either one.