Woma Wobble? Do you have any womas with wobbles?

Well, that's all very interesting.

I'm not a huge woma fan simply because I think they are the "less pretty version" of the spider in terms of their appearance, both alone and in combos. (I've seen a few that I consider really nice, but not nearly as many as spiders.) However, I was still of a mind that they were a really good alternative for those who like that general appearance but don't want to work with a snake with an inherent flaw like the spiders seem to have.

Makes me hope that there aren't any seriously disappointed people out there who deliberately avoided the spiders, and are now looking at a wobbly woma with sad eyes.

But ..... Tessada does bring up an interesting point.

I do think that inbreeding gets demonized a lot, and I will say that it does not really "cause" genetic flaws (it may uncover them, it may perpetuate them, but it does not "cause" them). (Outcrossing is good, but inbreeding isn't inherently awful, either.) I also don't think that the spider is likely to be very inbred compared to other morphs, so trying to finger inbreeding as a "cause" of the spider wobble is flawed on two counts. (I know that isn't really what you were trying to say, Tessada, just making a general point.)

However, I do wonder if she's right that we may need to start questioning the dogma that the 'wobbly' trait is a pleiotropic effect of the spider gene (inherent to the gene itself) and not a tightly linked trait (that could, theoretically, sometimes become "un-linked" in one direction or the other).

The woma thing is interesting ... I would really like to know if spiders were crossed heavily with womas early on.

Another thing I'd be interested in knowing (not to hijak your thread here, WingedWolf) is: How many people have seen spider offspring without the spider pattern, but showing spider-like neurologic issues?

I know the dogma is that the spiders are the wobblers and the offspring are normal ... But ... I'm interested to hear if anyone else has had an alternative experience.

Sorry if that post was kind of rambling ... :weirdface

I'd like to keep this thread on the womas, but would happily participate in a new thread on spiders, as I have those as well.

I don't believe that inbreeding is to blame for the spider wobble (or, possibly the woma wobble, either).
The reason inbreeding can bring up hidden flaws is because it 'fixes' traits--that is, it creates a homozygous form of the trait.

Assuming this is the case, when you breed a wobbly spider to a normal, if that spider is 'homozygous for wobbly', then you should see 100% wobbly offspring. If you take one of those wobbly offspring, and breed it to a normal, you should see 50% wobbly offspring. If you take a non-wobbly spider from that pairing, and breed it to a normal, you should see NO wobbles.
None of the above happens. Most importantly, there aren't any non-wobbly spiders that never throw wobbly offspring.
Inbreeding produces flaws the same way it produces homozygous animals from any other recessive trait.

To clarify: HG Womas are not womas. They are a different mutation entirely.
Pearls come from HG womas.

Hey,

If you do a search on Fauna Classifieds or follow this link:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=221237

I posted about the exact same thing last year. My male is a VPI Woma, and his corkscrewing and wobbling is what I would almost call scary. Both the previous owner and the producers say "womas don't wobble" - but this is absolutely untrue in my experience...

Just my 2 cents..

womas wobble ask kevin, same as spiders, they look the same act the same, do urself a favor and put them in the freezer and stop breeding them. worthless morphs both of them