comfort level in buying Het's?

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Originally Posted by tonkatoyman

Pictures can help build trust for sure, but I can tell you that pictures do absolutely no good if I do not trust you to start with, If I do not know you they will help build trust though. I hope this is clear. But let me say if I think you are dishonest to start with i will not even believe pictures. But if I am just getting to know you pictures will help. Maybe that explains it better.:taz:

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Perfectly clear. I know exactly what it means to deal with trustworthy people.

I Completely agree with the whole trust building thing... as i am just starting out on this exciting hobby I have made several purchases and am quickly learning how to find trusty worthy sellers or breeders. I think youll build a rep just by being a good trustworthy seller but I also agree pictures are worthwhile and definitely help Also helps with record keeping

With the bullies we took pictures of the lock, and videoed the birth.
I have been thinking of this for when I am ready too breed too. With snakes it is unlikely that you will be able to record the egg laying and it seems all to easy to swap eggs around so honesty is what I see best. Though there seems to be a huge open door for people to mislead you on what you are really buying. That is also why I am trying to find breeders in my area.
Also, I have seen mention of "paper work" on snakes, I know this sounds stupid but is it like my UKC or ADBA? Or is it just a written from the seller as x and y made z so z should be $$$?

I think I will photo all I can and then when I sell, print a copy of both parents to go with baby "z"'s feed, and shed card.:gj:

Keep in mind I am new too so after you get done laughing please be kind;)

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

... I know this sounds stupid but is it like my UKC or ADBA? Or is it just a written from the seller as x and y made z so z should be $$$?

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Not a stupid question at all. There is no official registration like kennel clubs. The paper work is simply a written guarantee (on paper or digital) from the breeder that the animal is het for whatever. It's obviously only as good as the breeder's integrity. It can take years to prove out a het and by then the "breeder" may be long gone or simply not interested in making anything right.

Still...every little bit helps, and a breeder willing to put in the effort to create professional looking papers that detail the snake's genetic background and include pictures to back it up...is likely a breeder that cares about their customer and their business rep.

So, then it would be better as a possible het unless you are going to hold back and prove it.
This is making my head hurt:stupidme:
morph x morph = morph and hets
morph x normal = morph and het and normal
right?
I so wanna ask how you tell a het from a normal but I know that is only with a couple breeds.:snake:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

So, then it would be better as a possible het unless you are going to hold back and prove it.
This is making my head hurt:stupidme:
morph x morph = morph and hets
morph x normal = morph and het and normal
right?
I so wanna ask how you tell a het from a normal but I know that is only with a couple breeds.:snake:

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Visible recessive Morph x Visible recessive Morph = all Visible morph
Visible recessive Morph x normal = all het
Visible recessive Morph x Het = 50% morph and 50% het
Het x Het = 25% morph, 50% het, 25% Normal / all normals considered 66% Het
Het x Normal = 50% het, 50% normal / all normals considered 50% Het
(I believe this is how I understand it, if I am wrong anyone please correct )
Co-Doms and Doms will produce visible morphs when bred to normals.

I am not sure that anyone truly believes the "so called" markers on hets. But the only het that I know of that people can say they see markers are het pied with the belly showing the signs of the marker.

Hope that helps and doesn't confuse anymore. It is a very deep subject when you start going into the genetics and especially with the CO-Dom and Dom morphs getting mixed with recesssives. But all in all just have fun with it.

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Originally Posted by JD'S Exotics

(I believe this is how I understand it, if I am wrong anyone please correct )

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Spot on. :gj:

It is, indeed, a bit of a learning curve. And even when you understand the basics of how the genetics work (as listed above) you still have to learn which morph fits into which genetic category (recessive, dom, co-dom) and some morphs are still mysteries. The great thing is that it's all super fun stuff to learn! :D

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Originally Posted by JLC

some morphs are still mysteries

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So if Dozzer and Lynn make something that has not been seen, we are all screwed??:D:DLOL

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

So if Dozzer and Lynn make something that has not been seen, we are all screwed??:D:DLOL

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Or........ Gonna be rolling in the money!

buying hets is taking someones word. that's why they are hard to sell if you're not well knowned. I'm breeding my clown male and I have 2 female mojaves, the one has never been breed and the other breed last year with locks but no eggs. I can't breed my clown to the one that I breed last year and be 100%. she could be holding from those breedings. this is where some breeders get into trouble thinking it has to be 100% het cause the only breeding was to a clown. wrong