cinnamon pied?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I'm pretty sure you are referring to the Super Pewter, what some describe as "urban camo". That boy is only a 50% possible het pied.

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Does you have a picture of the snake in question? I don't remember it being a super pewter... but I probably would recognize it if it's the same one.

I'm keeping back a pair of chocolates that I'm pretty sure are het pied. Given the increased dark pattern including onto the belly in chocolates I'm hoping the super chocolate piebald might be the "Holstein" ball we where hoping for in the super cinnamon pied. But with my track record on growing up females it will probably take 10 years so hopefully someone else will answer that question first.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I'm keeping back a pair of chocolates that I'm pretty sure are het pied. Given the increased dark pattern including onto the belly in chocolates I'm hoping the super chocolate piebald might be the "Holstein" ball we where hoping for in the super cinnamon pied. But with my track record on growing up females it will probably take 10 years so hopefully someone else will answer that question first.

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Sables seem to be a bust so far, right? Hopefully the chocos will work out. What's left after chocolates? Black axanthics? I know there are some other dark morphs floating around out there.

Or I guess we can collect all of the zero-white pieds we can find... line breed them until they consistently make no-white babies... and then start over with black pastels and cinnamons. :tears:

Here are the two Super Pewter pos. het pieds.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/d2ff5999.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/fa71be23.jpg

[QUOTE=Brandon Osborne;1472544]Here are the two Super Pewter pos. het pieds.

Awsome snakes. So are they from pewter het pied x pewter het pied paring?

as of what i know if you had the enchi gene you get an extremely low white pied cause for some reason the enchi gene puts up all the color and pattern in the pied so i guess if you had enchi + cinni + pied you should get something really colored.

like this one from ozzy enchi + pied

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...chiPiedF-2.JPG



or this one from nerd the pastel enchi pied

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...l-pied/001.jpg

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Sables seem to be a bust so far, right?

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Remind me please, I don't know or have forgotten what's been done with sables and pied. The enchi angle was also news to me but sounds like we have some possibilities left.

The chocolate thing was mostly an accident. I had several well marked 25% chance het pied girls that where finally ready to breed last winter (7 to 9 years old, lol) and hadn't seen much action from my possible het pied male so threw my chocolate male in with each once in February and got almost all chocolates and fortunately a half sibling pair with het pied belly marks.

Oh, that's interesting. I had just assumed enchi pieds had turned out low white because enchis DIDN'T reduce pattern, and they just got lucky. But I guess they've ALL turned out low- or no-white...

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As an example the Spider Pied, Sable Pied, Bumble Bee Pie and Desert combo Pied have all made 90% white snakes with the combo patterned head. Although nice, it seems to be a dead end if you plan on going further with it.

The Enchi stuff may keep that door open!

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(From here:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/car...-het-pied.html )

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Here are the two Super Pewter pos. het pieds.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/d2ff5999.jpg

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Yeah, I'm thinking that top one is the one I saw. I've only seen a few super pewters on the internet, okay, but that one's in another league entirely....